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WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?
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arah
2011-12-17 17:05:59 UTC
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WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?

Luke 2:8 speaks about the shepherds near Bethlehem who were in the
fields, watching their flocks at night. Shepherds in that region did
not keep their sheep out at night during the Winter because it was
cold and sometimes even snowy, but they did keep them in the fields
during the Fall, after the end-of-Summer harvest. At that time, the
sheep could eat the stalks of grain left over after the harvest, and
they would then fertilize the ground prior to the late Fall planting.

Also, Luke 2:1 says that when Mary was just about to give birth to
Jesus, she and Joseph traveled to Bethlehem to fulfill their
obligation to be counted in a Roman census. They did not travel in the
Winter because it would have been much too hard. Rather, people
traveled in the Fall, between the heat of Summer and the cold of
Winter. And at that time of year the grain, and also some fruit, were
ripe, and travelers were allowed to eat some of the “gleanings” as
they passed by (Lev. 23:22).
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Dr. R. Knapp
2011-12-17 21:37:04 UTC
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WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE  CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?
Simple, why not? One day is as good as the other day, since it been a
habit for the last few thousand years, there is no reason to change
it. Look at all the paperwork that would have to be done to redo a
date in all the computers, and papers and so on. It is easy to just
use that date then any other. Christians know it is not the day
Jesus was born, it is only a day that was open to use while all the
pagans were dunk and so no one would stop believers from using it, as
the pagans had all those days as theirs. Remember then they were
killing Christians and so if one is smart and want to see another day
they use what was a safe day. Most know no sheep were on the hills
in the middle of winter, then it is only a day to remember what did
happen. Every day would be a nice day to remember Christmas, and to
the believer in God and the saviour to use everyday is a day to
remember the birth of the Messiah, the Saviour, God that came in the
form of child to redeem all that will come, even you Muslim if you
would turn to God in Christ. Merry Christmas to all and to all a
good night and life in Jehovah God.
Luke 2:8 speaks about the shepherds near Bethlehem who were in the
fields, watching their flocks at night. Shepherds in that region did
not keep their sheep out at night during the Winter because it was
cold and sometimes even snowy, but they did keep them in the fields
during the Fall, after the end-of-Summer harvest. At that time, the
sheep could eat the stalks of grain left over after the harvest, and
they would then fertilize the ground prior to the late Fall planting.
Also, Luke 2:1 says that when Mary was just about to give birth to
Jesus, she and Joseph traveled to Bethlehem to fulfill their
obligation to be counted in a Roman census. They did not travel in the
Winter because it would have been much too hard. Rather, people
traveled in the Fall, between the heat of Summer and the cold of
Winter. And at that time of year the grain, and also some fruit, were
ripe, and travelers were allowed to eat some of the “gleanings” as
they passed by (Lev. 23:22).
.
Now you know why any day is good to use, and the reasons it was not
the day the birth happen but the time to use as no one wrote the date
down in their datebook. People travel when they are commanded by the
law no matter what the weather is, I do so now, why go to jail over a
little cold weather, you have nothing to say here, nice made believe
story, only the facts is it did happen, and the book of Lev. 23:22 is
a few thousand years early and has not a thing to do with the trip or
the time Jesus was born, or where he was born or that he is God in the
human form as promised so to pay for the sins mankind, I suppose God
sees Himself as the one responsible for all of our evil ways and sins,
as it was not for God none of us would of been born, Islamic or
Jewish, pagan, or Christian all that is, God made, and God paid the
price for that and now we all can come to God, because of Jesus Christ
the Lord who gave himself willingly for you and I to be saved from sin
and when we die, go to be with God in Heaven, and not in Hell the lake
of Fire for them that reject what God has done. Reject Jesus you
reject the gift of everlasting life in Glory for the pain of Hell. It
is really up to you now to make the choice, Heaven or Hell, no third
door.

In the love of God,

Dr. R. Knapp
www.pioneers-for-jesus.org
duke
2011-12-20 17:38:31 UTC
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WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE  CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?
Simple, why not? One day is as good as the other day, since it been a
habit for the last few thousand years, there is no reason to change
it. Look at all the paperwork that would have to be done to redo a
date in all the computers, and papers and so on.
Wow, what a weak response. You'a a faux pastor that doesn't even know why the
date was chosen.

The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17

It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
Dr. R. Knapp
2011-12-22 03:37:50 UTC
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WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE  CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?
Simple, why not?  One day is as good as the other day, since it been a
habit for the last few thousand years, there is no reason to change
it.  Look at all the paperwork that would have to be done to redo a
date in all the computers, and papers and so on.
Wow, what a weak response.  You'a a faux pastor that doesn't even know why the
date was chosen.
You like lying duky it would seem, as I am a Pastor and nothing "faux"
so we can all see, you have no answers at all, then simple is beyound
you.

www.pioneers-for-jesus.org
duke
2011-12-22 13:09:43 UTC
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WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE  CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?
Simple, why not?  One day is as good as the other day, since it been a
habit for the last few thousand years, there is no reason to change
it.  Look at all the paperwork that would have to be done to redo a
date in all the computers, and papers and so on.
Wow, what a weak response.  You'a a faux pastor that doesn't even know why the
date was chosen.
You like lying duky it would seem, as I am a Pastor and nothing "faux"
so we can all see, you have no answers at all, then simple is beyound
you.
Yet I'm the one that knows why the birth of Jesus is celebrated Dec 25, and you
are clueless, faux pastor.

The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17

It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
Dr. R. Knapp
2011-12-22 22:16:16 UTC
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Post by Dr. R. Knapp
WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE  CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?
Simple, why not?  One day is as good as the other day, since it been a
habit for the last few thousand years, there is no reason to change
it.  Look at all the paperwork that would have to be done to redo a
date in all the computers, and papers and so on.
Wow, what a weak response.  You'a a faux pastor that doesn't even know why the
date was chosen.
You like lying duky it would seem, as I am a Pastor and nothing "faux"
so we can all see, you have no answers at all, then simple is beyond
you.
Yet I'm the one that knows why the birth of Jesus is celebrated Dec 25, and you
are clueless, faux pastor.
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are. You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas. I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.

Try to have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years anyway.

In Christ Jesus
Pastor R. Knapp
www.pioneers-for-jesus.org
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The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
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Patrick
2011-12-23 00:45:12 UTC
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"Dr. R. Knapp" <***@aim.com> wrote

What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are. You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas. I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.

---------------

Speaking of a lack of education, how about informing
the whole class where you received your high school degree?
And then, just for laughs, tell us how you claim to hold the
title of "Bishop" and "Doctor."
It always kills me when high school drop-outs purchase internet
degrees and claim to have titles they do not deserve.
duke
2011-12-23 12:46:46 UTC
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What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are. You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas. I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
---------------
Speaking of a lack of education, how about informing
the whole class where you received your high school degree?
And then, just for laughs, tell us how you claim to hold the
title of "Bishop" and "Doctor."
It always kills me when high school drop-outs purchase internet
degrees and claim to have titles they do not deserve.
Yeah, he's a sham.

The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17

It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
Dr. R. Knapp
2011-12-24 20:49:01 UTC
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Post by Dr. R. Knapp
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.   You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas.   I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
---------------
Speaking of a lack of education, how about informing
the whole class where you received your high school degree?
And then, just for laughs, tell us how you claim to hold the
title of "Bishop"  and "Doctor."
It always kills me when high school drop-outs purchase internet
degrees and claim to have titles they do not deserve.
Yeah, he's a sham.
You patty and the devil wish that was true, then all liars will burn
in Hell the Bible is not a sham and will come to pass.

Pastor R. Knapp
duke
2011-12-26 12:59:35 UTC
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What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.   You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas.   I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
---------------
Speaking of a lack of education, how about informing
the whole class where you received your high school degree?
And then, just for laughs, tell us how you claim to hold the
title of "Bishop"  and "Doctor."
It always kills me when high school drop-outs purchase internet
degrees and claim to have titles they do not deserve.
Yeah, he's a sham.
You patty and the devil wish that was true, then all liars will burn
in Hell the Bible is not a sham and will come to pass.
We were talking about you being a sham, faux pastor, not the bible. You're the
one clueless about what it says.


The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17

It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
Dr. R. Knapp
2011-12-26 19:49:23 UTC
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Post by Dr. R. Knapp
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.   You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas.   I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
---------------
Speaking of a lack of education, how about informing
the whole class where you received your high school degree?
And then, just for laughs, tell us how you claim to hold the
title of "Bishop"  and "Doctor."
It always kills me when high school drop-outs purchase internet
degrees and claim to have titles they do not deserve.
Yeah, he's a sham.
You patty and the devil wish that was true, then all liars will burn
in Hell the Bible is not a sham and will come to pass.
We were talking about you being a sham, faux pastor, not the bible.  You're the
one clueless about what it says.
By doing so it makes you a liar and in public kind of shames your name
and your messages here in the newsgroups. I am never clueless only
pitte people like yourself that thiink they have a answer while they
lie to cover up their errors. Anyone can see you lying by going to
www.pioneers-for-jesus.org That shows the churches, members also
youth and elders that God has blessed by my Pastoring and years of
services which now is over 50 plus years. You Duke can keep lying
about me, while a quick check at PFJ website proves you are one. Only
a fool would post in such a way, when they know anyone reading their
post can check it out, and also call you just that a LIAR which by the
way Jesus points out shows your father in the spirit is Satan and Hell
is his reward for doing as you doing here.

The servant and friend of Jesus Christ.
Rev. R Knapp
The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
duke
2011-12-26 22:15:11 UTC
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What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.   You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas.   I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
---------------
Speaking of a lack of education, how about informing
the whole class where you received your high school degree?
And then, just for laughs, tell us how you claim to hold the
title of "Bishop"  and "Doctor."
It always kills me when high school drop-outs purchase internet
degrees and claim to have titles they do not deserve.
Yeah, he's a sham.
You patty and the devil wish that was true, then all liars will burn
in Hell the Bible is not a sham and will come to pass.
We were talking about you being a sham, faux pastor, not the bible.  You're the
one clueless about what it says.
By doing so it makes you a liar and in public kind of shames your name
and your messages here in the newsgroups.
You do a pretty poor job of reflecting yourself as pastor.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
I am never clueless only
pitte people like yourself that thiink they have a answer while they
lie to cover up their errors.
Dream on. You are clueless as to why Christmas is on Dec 25.

The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17

It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
arah
2011-12-28 20:10:02 UTC
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The servant and friend of Jesus Christ.
"Why do you call me, �Lord, Lord,� and do not do what I say? Luke 6:
46

--

"Not everyone who says to me, �Lord, Lord,� will enter the kingdom of
heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Many will say to me on that day, �Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in
your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform
many miracles?� Then I will tell them plainly, �I never knew you.
Away from me, you evildoers!�" Matthew 7: 21

"No one can be a slave to two masters. Either you will hate the one
and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the
other. You cannot be a slave to both God and Money." Luke 16:13

How much collection you get for year 2011?
j***@satx.rr.com
2011-12-29 02:03:24 UTC
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1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits
whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into
the world.


1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that
confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:


1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is
come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of
antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now
already is it in the world.


1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them:
because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world,
and the world heareth them.


1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is
not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the
spirit of error.


1Jo 4:7 ¶ Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and
every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.


1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.


1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because
that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live
through him.


1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved
us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.


1Jo 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one
another.


1Jo 4:12 ¶ No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another,
God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


1Jo 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because
he hath given us of his Spirit.


1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the
Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.


1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God
dwelleth in him, and he in God.


1Jo 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to
us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God
in him.


1Jo 4:17 ¶ Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness
in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.


1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out
fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect
in love.


1Jo 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.


1Jo 4:20 ¶ If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a
liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he
love God whom he hath not seen?


1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth
God love his brother also.
arah
2011-12-28 20:06:45 UTC
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You patty and the devil wish that was true, then all liars will burn
in Hell the Bible is not a sham and will come to pass.
Are you one of them warned by Jesus in the bible?

"Watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in
flowing robes and be greeted with respect in the marketplaces, and
have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of
honour at banquets. They devour widows� houses and for a show make
lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely." Mark 12:
38
Dr. R. Knapp
2011-12-24 20:30:20 UTC
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What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.   You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas.   I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
---------------
Speaking of a lack of education, how about informing
the whole class where you received your high school degree?
And then, just for laughs, tell us how you claim to hold the
title of "Bishop"  and "Doctor."
It always kills me when high school drop-outs purchase internet
degrees and claim to have titles they do not deserve.
Oh Patty we all know how little education you have and that you post
lies about having a education, so we are use to your denials and
ignorant statements here, it is nice to see your still able to use a
computer and hope even without your truthful remarks, you will find
time for a MERRY CHRISTMAS. You show just how little your education
is by asking or believing that any High School that is a real one not
one in your mind would offer a "HIGH SCHOOL DEGREE?" REALLY you do
have a problem last time I looked it is a diploma! Which is that one
finished the High School course and is recognized by the government.
Which I do have and the document to prove it. If you really try hard
enough and study real good you could even find it on the Internet, as
it is there. Now since you want to steal personal Identification and
that is illegal, it seems in you ignorants you do not even know how to
find a document. A "degree" for finishing "High School" did you get
your in some mail order Internet group? Then that is for the Laughs
it was funny and I am laughing thanks. If it kills you, you lie
again, as your still posting and dead people do not post. Your fake
degrees and education is not funny but sad. Then sadness is what you
do deserve, then still Jesus forgives and Christmas is the hope of
salvation, even for you Pat.

www.pioneers-for-jesus.org Check it out readers and see what is fact
and bless the Lord Jesus Christ for His love and ministry in our
life.

Dr. Rev. Brother, Bishop Knapp is titles of Pastors and which these
groups that I am part of use when addressing me. The PFJ, IMA, AWCF,
CGGC.org.hk, PMA all recognized by the government and these Churches
that reach millions world wide. Check them out one by one the Google
and the Facebook is a good place to start, hint, you may even find the
High School I attended, and the information on my academic exercise in
which diplomas are conferred at graduation. As well as the Public
Grade schools which since we moved some is a few. When I finished
with honors, I went to High School and did finish. I hope all readers
will stay in school and get your education and finish High School and
go on to College so you may not have to lie as it seems this
Pat........ person has to do, here.
duke
2011-12-23 12:45:59 UTC
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WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE  CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?
Simple, why not?  One day is as good as the other day, since it been a
habit for the last few thousand years, there is no reason to change
it.  Look at all the paperwork that would have to be done to redo a
date in all the computers, and papers and so on.
Wow, what a weak response.  You'a a faux pastor that doesn't even know why the
date was chosen.
You like lying duky it would seem, as I am a Pastor and nothing "faux"
so we can all see, you have no answers at all, then simple is beyond
you.
Yet I'm the one that knows why the birth of Jesus is celebrated Dec 25, and you
are clueless, faux pastor.
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.
So why is Christ_Mass celebrated on Dec 25th, rk? You still don't know, do you,
faux pastor.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas. I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
You're also ignorant of Christianity.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Try to have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years anyway.
I will. After all, Jesus is the reason for the season. Will you abandon your
flock that day?


The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17

It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
Paul Duca
2011-12-23 14:12:26 UTC
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WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE  CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?
Simple, why not?  One day is as good as the other day, since it been a
habit for the last few thousand years, there is no reason to change
it.  Look at all the paperwork that would have to be done to redo a
date in all the computers, and papers and so on.
Wow, what a weak response.  You'a a faux pastor that doesn't even know why the
date was chosen.
You like lying duky it would seem, as I am a Pastor and nothing "faux"
so we can all see, you have no answers at all, then simple is beyond
you.
Yet I'm the one that knows why the birth of Jesus is celebrated Dec 25, and you
are clueless, faux pastor.
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.
So why is Christ_Mass celebrated on Dec 25th, rk?  You still don't know, do you,
faux pastor.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas.   I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
You're also ignorant of Christianity.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Try to have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years anyway.
I will.  After all, Jesus is the reason for the season, even if He can't be bothered
to give me nice presents.
The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
Dr. R. Knapp
2011-12-24 20:46:39 UTC
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Post by Dr. R. Knapp
WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE  CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?
Simple, why not?  One day is as good as the other day, since it been a
habit for the last few thousand years, there is no reason to change
it.  Look at all the paperwork that would have to be done to redo a
date in all the computers, and papers and so on.
Wow, what a weak response.  You'a a faux pastor that doesn't even know why the
date was chosen.
You like lying duky it would seem, as I am a Pastor and nothing "faux"
so we can all see, you have no answers at all, then simple is beyond
you.
Yet I'm the one that knows why the birth of Jesus is celebrated Dec 25, and you
are clueless, faux pastor.
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.
So why is Christ_Mass celebrated on Dec 25th, rk?  You still don't know, do you,
faux pastor.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas.   I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
You're also ignorant of Christianity.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Try to have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years anyway.
I will.  After all, Jesus is the reason for the season.  Will you abandon your
flock that day?
What may blow you mind Duke is that since in China we are a half a day
time wise ahead of the USA we really our Love for Jesus and His birth
is by your clock started on the 24th of December. What is this stupor
remark about "abandon your flock that day" We have services all that
Holy week, with street meetings and telling the story of the birth of
Christ in the MALLS and Public areas such as parks and such. The 24th
and the 25th the churches are open for prayer, and worship which you
would call in your church the HOLY MASS. Then with you lack of Christ
Jesus in your life, such is unknown to you. Proof os such meetings
can be found in the pictures of the churches we minister in at
www.pioneers-for-jesus.org Over 50 years full time missionaries.

Bishop/Pastor R. Knapp

MERRY CHRISTIAMS TO ALL AND A HAPPY NEW YEARS 2012, ENJOY THE CHRIST
OF CHRISTMAS, JESUS IS HIS NAME. LOVE YOU ALL AS GOD LOVES YOU ALSO.
The dukester, American-American
REMEMBER TO PRAY FOR THIS PERSONS SOUL AND SPIRIT, THAT HE MAY BE
SAVED SOMEDAY.
duke
2011-12-26 13:03:27 UTC
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WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE  CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?
Simple, why not?  One day is as good as the other day, since it been a
habit for the last few thousand years, there is no reason to change
it.  Look at all the paperwork that would have to be done to redo a
date in all the computers, and papers and so on.
Wow, what a weak response.  You'a a faux pastor that doesn't even know why the
date was chosen.
You like lying duky it would seem, as I am a Pastor and nothing "faux"
so we can all see, you have no answers at all, then simple is beyond
you.
Yet I'm the one that knows why the birth of Jesus is celebrated Dec 25, and you
are clueless, faux pastor.
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.
So why is Christ_Mass celebrated on Dec 25th, rk?  You still don't know, do you,
faux pastor.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas.   I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
You're also ignorant of Christianity.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Try to have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years anyway.
I will.  After all, Jesus is the reason for the season.  Will you abandon your
flock that day?
What may blow you mind Duke is that since in China we are a half a day
time wise ahead of the USA we really our Love for Jesus and His birth
is by your clock started on the 24th of December.
I asked you if your will abandon your flock on YOUR Christmas day.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
What is this stupor remark about "abandon your flock that day"
No stupor - just a question.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
We have services all that
Holy week, with street meetings and telling the story of the birth of
Christ in the MALLS and Public areas such as parks and such. The 24th
and the 25th the churches are open for prayer, and worship which you
would call in your church the HOLY MASS.
But did YOU hold Christmas day services as pastor of a flock?
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Then with you lack of Christ Jesus in your life, such is unknown to you.
I welcomed the opportunity to worship God and his new born son on Christmas. I
suspect you ducked out of doing so.

The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17

It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
Dr. R. Knapp
2011-12-26 20:00:42 UTC
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Wow, what a weak response.  You'a a faux pastor that doesn't even know why the
date was chosen.
You like lying duky it would seem, as I am a Pastor and nothing "faux"
so we can all see, you have no answers at all, then simple is beyond
you.
Yet I'm the one that knows why the birth of Jesus is celebrated Dec 25, and you
are clueless, faux pastor.
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.
So why is Christ_Mass celebrated on Dec 25th, rk?  You still don't know, do you,
faux pastor.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas.   I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
You're also ignorant of Christianity.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Try to have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years anyway.
I will.  After all, Jesus is the reason for the season.  Will you abandon your
flock that day?
What may blow you mind Duke is that since in China we are a half a day
time wise ahead of the USA we really our Love for Jesus and His birth
is by your clock started on the 24th of December.
I asked you if your will abandon your flock on YOUR Christmas day.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
 What is this stupor remark about "abandon your flock that day"
No stupor - just a question.
If you had any understanding you would know such is also just stupid
then others would understand that, again you show a lack of
intelligence.
Post by duke
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
 We have services all that
Holy week, with street meetings and telling the story of the birth of
Christ in the MALLS and Public areas such as parks and such.  The 24th
and the 25th the churches are open for prayer, and worship which you
would call in your church the HOLY MASS.
But did YOU hold Christmas day services as pastor of a flock?
Again silly one, the Pastor is the one that leads the church "flock"
which I have done for over 40 years now. Does being a catholic make
you so dumb?
Post by duke
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Then with you lack of Christ Jesus in your life, such is unknown to you.
I welcomed the opportunity to worship God and his new born son on Christmas.  I
suspect you ducked out of doing so.
Anyone that knows your writing, see you are lying again and it is sad,
you purposely seem to want to go to Hell with the devil by doing so
here.

You seem to welcome only a MASS that the priest lead, and you do
nothing, seems you do not even know the meaning of the MASS or the
purpose that your church does have such a service for. My God have
mercy on your soul..

Bishop R W. Knapp
www.pioneers-for-jesus.org
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The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
duke
2011-12-26 22:18:02 UTC
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Wow, what a weak response.  You'a a faux pastor that doesn't even know why the
date was chosen.
You like lying duky it would seem, as I am a Pastor and nothing "faux"
so we can all see, you have no answers at all, then simple is beyond
you.
Yet I'm the one that knows why the birth of Jesus is celebrated Dec 25, and you
are clueless, faux pastor.
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.
So why is Christ_Mass celebrated on Dec 25th, rk?  You still don't know, do you,
faux pastor.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas.   I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
You're also ignorant of Christianity.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Try to have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years anyway.
I will.  After all, Jesus is the reason for the season.  Will you abandon your
flock that day?
What may blow you mind Duke is that since in China we are a half a day
time wise ahead of the USA we really our Love for Jesus and His birth
is by your clock started on the 24th of December.
I asked you if your will abandon your flock on YOUR Christmas day.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
 What is this stupor remark about "abandon your flock that day"
No stupor - just a question.
If you had any understanding you would know such is also just stupid
then others would understand that, again you show a lack of
intelligence.
Yada, yada, yada. You are once again caught up in your ignorance.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Post by duke
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
 We have services all that
Holy week, with street meetings and telling the story of the birth of
Christ in the MALLS and Public areas such as parks and such.  The 24th
and the 25th the churches are open for prayer, and worship which you
would call in your church the HOLY MASS.
But did YOU hold Christmas day services as pastor of a flock?
Again silly one, the Pastor is the one that leads the church "flock"
which I have done for over 40 years now. Does being a catholic make
you so dumb?
You didn't even hold Christmas services for your flock, did you, faux pastor.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Post by duke
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Then with you lack of Christ Jesus in your life, such is unknown to you.
I welcomed the opportunity to worship God and his new born son on Christmas.  I
suspect you ducked out of doing so.
Anyone that knows your writing, see you are lying again and it is sad,
you purposely seem to want to go to Hell with the devil by doing so
here.
Run, faux pastor, it's all you can do.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
You seem to welcome only a MASS that the priest lead, and you do
nothing, seems you do not even know the meaning of the MASS or the
purpose that your church does have such a service for. My God have
mercy on your soul..
Yeah, and your's too.

The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17

It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
arah
2011-12-26 13:26:02 UTC
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The 10 Commandments - They were given directly by God to the people of
Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in
Egypt:

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of
anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or
that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.


Sura 19:20,34, Jesus praised his birth and then said, “I am the
servant of Allah.” And Allah teaches, “It is not for God to take a son
unto Him.” Here we have Jesus speaking denying everything he said in
the Bible.

In Sura 10:68-70 They say: “God hath begotten a son!” - Glory be to
Him! He is self- sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on
earth! No warrant have ye for this! say ye about God what ye know not?
Say: “Those who invent a lie against God will never prosper.” A little
enjoyment in this world!- and then, to Us will be their return, then
shall We make them taste the severest penalty for their blasphemies.”

Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship
the Lord your God, and serve him only.'"Matthew 4:10
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Post by Dr. R. Knapp
WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE  CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?
Simple, why not?  One day is as good as the other day, since it been a
habit for the last few thousand years, there is no reason to change
it.  Look at all the paperwork that would have to be done to redo a
date in all the computers, and papers and so on.
Wow, what a weak response.  You'a a faux pastor that doesn't even know why the
date was chosen.
You like lying duky it would seem, as I am a Pastor and nothing "faux"
so we can all see, you have no answers at all, then simple is beyond
you.
Yet I'm the one that knows why the birth of Jesus is celebrated Dec 25, and you
are clueless, faux pastor.
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.
So why is Christ_Mass celebrated on Dec 25th, rk?  You still don't know, do you,
faux pastor.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas.   I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
You're also ignorant of Christianity.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Try to have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years anyway.
I will.  After all, Jesus is the reason for the season.  Will you abandon your
flock that day?
What may blow you mind Duke is that since in China we are a half a day
time wise ahead of the USA we really our Love for Jesus and His birth
is by your clock started on the 24th of December.  What is this stupor
remark about "abandon your flock that day"  We have services all that
Holy week, with street meetings and telling the story of the birth of
Christ in the MALLS and Public areas such as parks and such.  The 24th
and the 25th the churches are open for prayer, and worship which you
would call in your church the HOLY MASS. Then with you lack of Christ
Jesus in your life, such is unknown to you.  Proof os such meetings
can be found in the pictures of the churches we minister in atwww.pioneers-for-jesus.org Over 50 years full time missionaries.
Bishop/Pastor R. Knapp
MERRY CHRISTIAMS TO ALL AND A HAPPY NEW YEARS 2012, ENJOY THE CHRIST
OF CHRISTMAS, JESUS IS HIS NAME.  LOVE YOU ALL AS GOD LOVES YOU ALSO.
The dukester, American-American
REMEMBER TO PRAY FOR THIS PERSONS SOUL AND SPIRIT, THAT HE MAY BE
SAVED SOMEDAY.- Hide quoted text -
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j***@satx.rr.com
2011-12-26 17:52:07 UTC
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Ex 3:14 -And God said unto Moses,
I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
I AM hath sent me unto you.

Joh 8:58 -Jesus said unto them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was,
I am.


Joh 20:28 -And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.


Meditate on,


33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead,
and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.


34. Who, although He is God and man,
yet He is not two, but one Christ.


http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html
Dr. R. Knapp
2011-12-26 20:18:06 UTC
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Post by arah
The 10 Commandments - They were given directly by God to the people of
Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in
"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…
ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
Yes no god name "Allah" as you worship that god and God say NO OTHER.
Post by arah
TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of
anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or
that is in the water under the earth.'
Oh so that big square building that Islam and you bow down to five
times a day is your carved image, as well as being before your false
relgion was a place of pagan worship and I told that under your Mecca
image there are still idols and carved images of the gods the pagan
worshiped, now you all do at the same location.
Post by arah
THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
You all do that all the time and call you god by the name "Allah"
which was in the day of Mohammad a pagan god which history shows was
the name not of GOD or EL not even Jehovah but a god of evil. Like
you god wants to murder all that do not blow down to his name, that is
evil that is not the God of true believers.
Post by arah
Sura 19:20,34, Jesus praised his birth and then said, “I am the
servant of Allah.” And Allah teaches, “It is not for God to take a son
unto Him.” Here we have Jesus speaking denying everything he said in
the Bible.
Your False book and verse are not accepted. Lying about what Jesus
did say is what sends one to Hell not heaven. You lies and such the
Holy Bible shows is of the Devil the deceiver as is your teachings
here.
arah
2011-12-27 13:29:50 UTC
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Muhammad: A Witness, Bearer of Glad-Tidings and a Warner


Explaining the Message that Muhammad brought to the world, in
affirmation of the messages of the previous prophets.

He proved himself to be ideal of manhood, and to possess a spotless
character. He was the most obliging to his compatriots, honest in his
talk and mildest in temper. He was gentle-hearted, chaste, hospitable
and always impressed people by his piety inspiring countenance. He was
always truthful and the best to keep covenant. His fellow citizens by
common consent gave him the title of Al Ameen (trustworthy). - The
Reign of Islamic Da'wah Centre, Toronto, Canada

In the Name of Allah, The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful

"And (remember) when Jesus, son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel!
I am the Messenger of Allaah unto you, confirming the Torah (which
came) before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after
me, whose name shall be Ahmad. But when he (Ahmad i.e. Muhammad) came
to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic."

(The Noble Qur'an 61:6)

"We have not sent thee (O Muhammad) except as a universal (Messenger)
to men giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin) but
most men understand not."

(The Noble Qur’an 34:28)

"Verily all praise is due to Allah, We praise Him, we seek His Help
and ask for His Forgiveness. We seek refuge in Allah from all the
evils in our souls and from our sinful deeds. Whosoever Allah guides,
no one can mislead and whosoever Allaah leaves to stray, no one can
guide. I bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except
Allah, He is One and has no partners. And I bear witness that Muhammad
is His servant ant Last Messenger. O you who believe, have fear and
consciousness of Allah according to His right and die not except as
Muslims. O mankind, have fear and consciousness of your Lord, the One
Who created you from one soul and from it its mate and from them
spread many men and women. And fear Allah from Whom you demand your
mutual rights and do not cut off family relations. Surely, Allaah is
Ever an All-Watcher over you. O you who believe, have fear and
consciousness of Allah and always speak the truth. He will direct you
to do righteous deeds and will forgive you of your sins. Whosoever
obeys Allah and His Messenger has indeed achieved a great
achievement." These are the words Muhammad would say before addressing
anyone.


Allaah says in the Qur’an: (References of the Qur’an are an English
interpretation of the Arabic) "Verily, We have sent you (O Muhammad)
as a witness, as a bearer of glad tidings and as a warner. In order
that you (O mankind) may believe in Allaah and His Messenger and honor
him and that you glorify (Allaah’s) Praises morning and
afternoon." (The Noble Qur’an 48:8-9)

In a time when the earth was filled with chaos and confusion and man
had once again strayed from the Guidance of Allah, a child was born
from the line of the house of Ishmael in the city of Makkah as
ordained by Allah. His grandfather named him Muhammad son of
'Abdullaah.

From childhood there was always something special about him that was
recognized by all. He was always honest true and trustworthy. Born in
the year 570 AD, the only child of his parents, he later became an
orphan at the age of six years after the death of both parents.

Muhammad was in his youth, a combination of the best social
attributes. His long silence helped him to meditate and deeply
investigate the truth. His pure nature was helpful and instrumental in
assimilating and comprehending ways of life and people, individual and
collective. He shunned superstitious practices and took a part in
constructive and useful dealings. He also kept himself from drinking
wine, eating meat slaughtered on stone altars, or attending idolatrous
festivals.

He proved himself to be ideal of manhood, and to possess a spotless
character. He was the most obliging to his compatriots, honest in his
talk and mildest in temper. He was gentle-hearted, chaste, hospitable
and always impressed people by his piety inspiring countenance. He was
always truthful and the best to keep covenant. His fellow citizens by
common consent gave him the title of Al Ameen (trustworthy).

Allaah says in the Noble Qur’an:

"Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad) you have a good example
to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last
Day and remembers Allah much." (The Noble Qur’an 33:21)

Muhammad used to pass long hours in retirement meditating and
speculating over all aspects of creation around him. One of these in
particular was his favorite resort – a cave named Hira’, in the Mount
An Nour; where at the age of 40 years he was visited by the angel
Gabriel, who was sent to reveal Allaah’s Guidance for all creation to
him.

The angel Gabriel appeared to him Muhammad and said:

"Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created all that exists has
created man from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood.) Read! And
your Lord is the Most Generous." (The Noble Qur’an 96:1-3)

And

"O you Muhammad enveloped (in garments)! Arise and warn! And your Lord
(Allah) magnify! And your garments purify! And keep away from idols.
(The Noble Qur’an 74:1-5)

Thus began the revelations and Muhammad received words of inspiration,
of warning and glad tidings for all creation.

Allah says in the Glorious Qur’an:

"Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad) as We inspired Noah and the
Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob,
and Al-Asbat, (the twelve sons of Jacob), Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron,
and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. And Messengers We have
mentioned to you before, and Messengers We have not mentioned to you,
and to Moses, Allah spoke directly. Messengers as bearers of good news
as well as warning in order that mankind should have no plea against
Allah after the Messengers. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.
But Allah bears witness to that which He has sent down (the Qur’an)
unto you (O Muhammad), He has sent it down with His Knowledge, and the
angels bear witness. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Witness. Verily,
those who disbelieve (by concealing the truth about Prophet Muhammad
and his message of true Islamic Monotheism written with them in the
Torah [Book given to Moses] and the Gospel) and prevent (mankind) from
the Path of Allah, they have certainly strayed far away. Verily, those
who disbelieve and did wrong (by concealing the truth about Prophet
Muhammad and his message of true Islamic Monotheism written with them
in the Torah and the Gospel) Allah will not forgive them, nor will He
guide them to any way, Except the way of Hell, to dwell therein
forever, and this is ever easy for Allah. O mankind! Verily, there has
come to you the Messenger (Muhammad) with the truth from your Lord, so
believe in him, it is better for you. But if you disbelieve, then
certainly to Allaah belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth.
And Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All Wise. O people of the Scripture
(Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor
say of Allah anything but the truth. The Messiah Jesus, son of Mary,
was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be’’ and he
was) which He bestowed on Mary and a spirit created by Him; so believe
in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it
is) better for you. For Allah is the only One God, Glory be to Him,
(Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all that is in
the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient
as a Disposer of affairs." (The Noble Qur’an 4:163-172)

And

"O mankind! Verily, there has come to you a convincing proof (Prophet
Muhammad) from your Lord, and We sent down to you a manifest light
(this Qur’an). So, as for those who believed in Allah and held fast to
Him, He will admit them to His Mercy and Grace and guide them to
Himself by a Straight Path." (The Noble Qur’an 4:174-175)

And

"O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you
Our Messenger (Muhammad) explaining to you much of that which you used
to hide from the Scripture and passing over much. Indeed, there has
come to you from Allaah a light (Prophet Muhammad and a plain Book
(this Qur’an). Wherewith Allah guides all those who seek His Good
Pleasure to ways of peace, and He brings them out of darkness by His
Will unto light and guides them to a Straight Way. Surely, in
disbelief are they who say that Allaah is the Messiah, son of Mary.
Say (O Muhammad): "Who then has the least power against Allah, if He
were to destroy the Messiah, son of Mary, his mother and all those who
are on the earth together?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the
heavens and the earth, and all that is between them. He creates what
He wills. And Allah is Able to do all things. And (both) the Jews and
the Christians say: "We are the children of Allah and His loved ones."
Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but
human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and
He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the
heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the
return of all. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now
has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad) making things clear unto you,
after a break in (the series of) Messengers, lest you say: "There came
unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner". But now has come
unto you a bringer of glad tidings a warner. And Allah is Able to do
all things." (The Noble Qur’an 5:15-19)

"O you who believe [in Moses (Jews) and Jesus (Christians)]! Fear
Allah, and believe too in His Messenger (Muhammad), He will give you a
double portion of His Mercy, and He will give you a light by which you
shall walk straight, and He will forgive you. And Allah is Oft-
Forgiving, Most Merciful. So that the people of the Scripture (Jews
and Christians) may know that they have no power whatsoever over the
Grace of Allah, and that His Grace is entirely in His Hand to bestow
it on whomsoever He wills. And Allah is the Owner of Great
Bounty." (The Noble Qur’an 57:28-29)

The heart of every Muslim is filled with the love of the last Prophet
Muhammad and this love of the Messenger of Allah is an asset for him.
Love and respect of a person depends on the benefits we get from him.
As the Prophet is the greatest benefactor of humanity, every Muslim
has deepest love for him. To prove that we love the Prophet we have to
follow the Prophet Muhammad. Your Lord said:

"Say (O Muhammad to mankind): If you really love Allah then follow me,
Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Oft-
Forgiving, Most Merciful." (The Noble Qur’an 3:31)

Every deed of his life is to be followed by every Muslim. Highest love
for the Prophet is made a test of faith. Allaah has described and
explained the status of Muhammad in the Qur’an:

"Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but (he is) the
Messenger of Allaah, and the Last of the Prophets, And Allaah is Ever
All-Aware of Everything." (The Noble Qur’an, 33:40)


http://www.islaam.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=220:muhammad-a-witness-bearer-of-glad-tidings-and-a-warner&catid=50:muhammad-the-final-messenger&Itemid=170
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Post by arah
The 10 Commandments - They were given directly by God to the people of
Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in
"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…
ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
Yes no god name "Allah" as you worship that god and God say NO OTHER.
Post by arah
TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of
anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or
that is in the water under the earth.'
Oh so that big square building that Islam and you bow down to five
times a day is your carved image, as well as being before your false
relgion was a place of pagan worship and I told that under your Mecca
image there are still idols and carved images of the gods the pagan
worshiped, now you all do at the same location.
Post by arah
THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
You all do that all the time and call you god by the name "Allah"
which was in the day of Mohammad a pagan god which history shows was
the name not of GOD or EL not even Jehovah but a god of evil.  Like
you god wants to murder all that do not blow down to his name, that is
evil that is not the God of true believers.
Post by arah
Sura 19:20,34, Jesus praised his birth and then said, “I am the
servant of Allah.” And Allah teaches, “It is not for God to take a son
unto Him.” Here we have Jesus speaking denying everything he said in
the Bible.
j***@satx.rr.com
2011-12-27 18:22:09 UTC
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The Truth About Muhammad:
Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion [Hardcover]
Robert Spencer (Author)


A respectul but hard hitting discussion of the sources of intolerance
in Islam, October 21, 2006
By Craig Matteson (Saline, MI) - (TOP 500 REVIEWER) (HALL OF FAME
REVIEWER) (REAL NAME) This review is from: The Truth About
Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion (Hardcover)
Robert Spencer is one of the voices speaking clearly about where the
Jihadists derive their core beliefs and patterns for their actions.
The title of this book is not speaking against Islam or saying that
Muslims are hiding some secret about their faith (although there are
some difficult points they do not like to discuss much). What the
title of the book is referring to is the false notion that the Western
multi-culturalists like to peddle: that Islam is principally a
religion of peace and that our conflict with them comes from not
treating them as if they were another kind of Congregationalist sect.

Because of the centrality of Muhammad to Islam, Spencer takes us
through what can be known about the life of Muhammad. However, the
Qur'an alone is not enough for that task. The author also uses the
Hadith (traditions about Muhammad), and the Sira (a biography of
Muhammad written down 150 years after his death). Using these
secondary sources helps illuminate what the Qur'an is saying to the
believers through their Prophet.

As Spencer takes us through Muhammad's life and conquests, we learn
the sources and traditions for what the Jihadists do today. Rather
than twisting or hijacking the faith as some claim, there is a reason
that so many within Islam feel proud and agree with the way the
Jihadists act towards non-believers, what is preached against
believers in their mosques, and the constant work to establish Sharia
as a replacement for established law all over the world. This is what
Muslims have done since their beginning and what they feel their
mission is today. To them, all non-Muslim culture is inferior and all
non-believers deserve second-class status at best. Tolerance and
equality with non-believers is not possible according to Muhammad's
teachings, even on his deathbed.

This paragraph of Spencer's sums up the core of the book:

"It is nothing short of staggering that the myth of Islamic tolerance
could have gained such currency in the teeth of Muhammad's open
contempt and hatred for Jews and Christians, incitements of violence
against them, and calls that they be converted or subjugated. While
human nature is everywhere the same and Muslims can, of course, act as
tolerantly as anyone else, the example of Muhammad, the highest model
for human behavior [according to Muslim belief - CSM], constantly
pulls them in a different direction. The fact that Western analysts
ignore all this demonstrates the ease with which people can be
convinced of something they wish to believe, regardless of
overwhelming evidence to the contrary." (pp. 182-183)

The author also provides a chapter showing how the examples from
Muhammad's life are preached and lived today, including jihad,
violence against unbelievers, death penalty for apostates, and the
marriage of young (very young) girls in countries such as Afghanistan,
Pakistan, and Bangladesh. Spencer is quite clear that the marriage of
young girls was not unusual in Muhammad's life and place, but despite
the changes in the modern world it is the power of these traditions
that keeps such practices alive.

This is a respectful book, but does not shy away from difficult
examples or teachings. Spencer does not go out of his way to try and
create a kinder and gentler Muhammad, but he doesn't create a negative
caricature of the man a billion people regard as a great prophet.
Spencer is also clear about the inferior status of Jews, Christians,
and Pagans in the Muslim view of the world. He even shows how Muhammad
"corrected" Christian teaching about Jesus in the Qur'an. Among other
things, the Muslim scripture declares that Jesus was not the Son of
God nor was he crucified.

This is a very interesting and informative book. Yes, it scares the
heck out of the mainstream media, but that only shows the intolerance
of Islam towards anyone who even raises difficult issues about the
faith in even a respectful way. There are thousands of books on
Christianity that are much harsher and are actually virulent and no
one thinks twice about promoting them everywhere. But if you get the
imams railing against you, well, like Spencer, Steve Emerson, and
others, you need to live in "secure undisclosed locations". I don't
know why you even need any more proof than that for the thesis of this
book about the intolerance of Islam towards non-believers.

Recommended.

http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Muhammad-Intolerant-Religion/dp/1596980281
arah
2011-12-28 19:37:21 UTC
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Robert Spencer also wrote another best selling book Christianity or
Islam: which is the real "religion of peace"?

Almost any liberal pundit will tell you that there's a religion bent
on destroying our Constitution, stripping us of our liberties, and
imposing religious rule on the U.S. And that religion
is . . .Christianity! About Islam, however, the Left is silent--except
to claim a moral equivalence between the two: if Islam has terrorists
today, that's nothing compared to the Crusades, inquisitions, and
religious wars in Christianity's past.

But is this true? Are conservative Christians really more of a threat
to free societies than Islamic jihadists? Is the Bible really "just as
violent" as the Qur'an? ....

Religion of Peace according to Robert Spencer ....

New International Version (©1984)
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did
not come to bring peace, but a sword.( Matthew 10:34)


Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but
division.(Luke 12:51)

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
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Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion [Hardcover]
Robert Spencer (Author)
A respectul but hard hitting discussion of the sources of intolerance
in Islam, October 21, 2006
By Craig Matteson (Saline, MI) - (TOP 500 REVIEWER)    (HALL OF FAME
REVIEWER)    (REAL NAME)    This review is from: The Truth About
Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion (Hardcover)
Robert Spencer is one of the voices speaking clearly about where the
Jihadists derive their core beliefs and patterns for their actions.
The title of this book is not speaking against Islam or saying that
Muslims are hiding some secret about their faith (although there are
some difficult points they do not like to discuss much). What the
title of the book is referring to is the false notion that the Western
multi-culturalists like to peddle: that Islam is principally a
religion of peace and that our conflict with them comes from not
treating them as if they were another kind of Congregationalist sect.
Because of the centrality of Muhammad to Islam, Spencer takes us
through what can be known about the life of Muhammad. However, the
Qur'an alone is not enough for that task. The author also uses the
Hadith (traditions about Muhammad), and the Sira (a biography of
Muhammad written down 150 years after his death). Using these
secondary sources helps illuminate what the Qur'an is saying to the
believers through their Prophet.
As Spencer takes us through Muhammad's life and conquests, we learn
the sources and traditions for what the Jihadists do today. Rather
than twisting or hijacking the faith as some claim, there is a reason
that so many within Islam feel proud and agree with the way the
Jihadists act towards non-believers, what is preached against
believers in their mosques, and the constant work to establish Sharia
as a replacement for established law all over the world. This is what
Muslims have done since their beginning and what they feel their
mission is today. To them, all non-Muslim culture is inferior and all
non-believers deserve second-class status at best. Tolerance and
equality with non-believers is not possible according to Muhammad's
teachings, even on his deathbed.
"It is nothing short of staggering that the myth of Islamic tolerance
could have gained such currency in the teeth of Muhammad's open
contempt and hatred for Jews and Christians, incitements of violence
against them, and calls that they be converted or subjugated. While
human nature is everywhere the same and Muslims can, of course, act as
tolerantly as anyone else, the example of Muhammad, the highest model
for human behavior [according to Muslim belief - CSM], constantly
pulls them in a different direction. The fact that Western analysts
ignore all this demonstrates the ease with which people can be
convinced of something they wish to believe, regardless of
overwhelming evidence to the contrary." (pp. 182-183)
The author also provides a chapter showing how the examples from
Muhammad's life are preached and lived today, including jihad,
violence against unbelievers, death penalty for apostates, and the
marriage of young (very young) girls in countries such as Afghanistan,
Pakistan, and Bangladesh. Spencer is quite clear that the marriage of
young girls was not unusual in Muhammad's life and place, but despite
the changes in the modern world it is the power of these traditions
that keeps such practices alive.
This is a respectful book, but does not shy away from difficult
examples or teachings. Spencer does not go out of his way to try and
create a kinder and gentler Muhammad, but he doesn't create a negative
caricature of the man a billion people regard as a great prophet.
Spencer is also clear about the inferior status of Jews, Christians,
and Pagans in the Muslim view of the world. He even shows how Muhammad
"corrected" Christian teaching about Jesus in the Qur'an. Among other
things, the Muslim scripture declares that Jesus was not the Son of
God nor was he crucified.
This is a very interesting and informative book. Yes, it scares the
heck out of the mainstream media, but that only shows the intolerance
of Islam towards anyone who even raises difficult issues about the
faith in even a respectful way. There are thousands of books on
Christianity that are much harsher and are actually virulent and no
one thinks twice about promoting them everywhere. But if you get the
imams railing against you, well, like Spencer, Steve Emerson, and
others, you need to live in "secure undisclosed locations". I don't
know why you even need any more proof than that for the thesis of this
book about the intolerance of Islam towards non-believers.
Recommended.
http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Muhammad-Intolerant-Religion/dp/159...
Dr. R. Knapp
2011-12-26 23:56:39 UTC
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What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.
So why is Christ_Mass celebrated on Dec 25th, rk?  You still don't know, do you,
faux pastor.
Since I am not a faux pastor and your so ignorant and never had any
training in the history of the holidays and why they are on the day
they are, it is easy to see why you think everyone but you are a fake
or "faux" when we can see by your replies you really do not know very
much at all.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
You know little to nothing it
would seem that is fact or history about the first Christmas.   I am
clueless to your stupidity and how you think you can boast about your
lack of education and think anyone will believe you.
You're also ignorant of Christianity.
The kind of "Christianity" you see to think is real, everyone is
ignorant of, as it is all in you head, and you a layman have no
Theology training so it is clear why you think as you do and reject
the facts and truth. The more you post the more you show, all the
readers how little you do know,
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Try to have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years anyway.
duke
2011-12-27 13:26:53 UTC
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Post by Dr. R. Knapp
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.
So why is Christ_Mass celebrated on Dec 25th, rk?  You still don't know, do you,
faux pastor.
Since I am not a faux pastor
If you weren't a faux pastor, you'd know why Christmas is celebrated worldwide
on Dec 25.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
and your so ignorant and never had any
training in the history of the holidays and why they are on the day
they are, it is easy to see why you think everyone but you are a fake
or "faux" when we can see by your replies you really do not know very
much at all.
Yet I do and you don't, you faux pastor.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
You're also ignorant of Christianity.
The kind of "Christianity" you see to think is real, everyone is
ignorant of, as it is all in you head, and you a layman have no
Theology training so it is clear why you think as you do and reject
the facts and truth. The more you post the more you show, all the
readers how little you do know,
The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17

It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
Dr. R. Knapp
2011-12-29 04:17:13 UTC
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Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.
So why is Christ_Mass celebrated on Dec 25th, rk?  You still don't know, do you,
faux pastor.
Since I am not a faux pastor
If you weren't a faux pastor, you'd know why Christmas is celebrated worldwide
on Dec 25.
Oh again you show how little you do know, in other nations some
celebrate Christmas on other days, even in January.
Contemporary customs outside Europe and North America

With the spread of Christianity beyond Europe and North America, the
celebration of Christmas was transferred to societies throughout the
non-Western world. In many of these countries, Christians are not the
majority population, and therefore the religious holiday has not
become a cultural holiday. Christmas customs in these societies thus
often echo Western traditions because the people were exposed to
Christianity as a religion and cultural artifact of the West. Among
the few exceptions is Ethiopia, where Christianity has had a home ever
since the 4th century and where the Ethiopian Orthodox Church
celebrates Christmas on January 7. The Russian Orthodox Church also
recognizes January 7 as Christmas Day, and the Armenian church honours
January 6 as Christmas.

So Mr. know it all Duke, your are the faux here, and do not even know
how to check out facts, before you show us here, how ignorant you
really are.
Post by duke
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
and your so ignorant and never had any
training in the history of the holidays and why they are on the day
they are, it is easy to see why you think everyone but you are a fake
or "faux" when we can see by your replies you really do not know very
much at all.
Yet I do and you don't, you faux pastor.
Yet again you prove you do not know and I am a real Pastor, you are
not even a good lay catholic.
Post by duke
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
You're also ignorant of Christianity.
The kind of "Christianity" you see to think is real, everyone is
ignorant of, as it is all in you head, and you a layman have no
Theology training so it is clear why you think as you do and reject
the facts and truth.    The more you post the more you show, all the
readers how little you do know,
Thank you again Mr. Duncishness for the opportunity to show how
ignorant you really are again. Your Priest should ask you to stop
making his church look so bad in public.

Bishop R. Knapp.
duke
2011-12-29 17:16:56 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
What you show here to the public Duke, is just how little you do know
and how ignorant your statements are.
So why is Christ_Mass celebrated on Dec 25th, rk?  You still don't know, do you,
faux pastor.
Since I am not a faux pastor
If you weren't a faux pastor, you'd know why Christmas is celebrated worldwide
on Dec 25.
Oh again you show how little you do know, in other nations some
celebrate Christmas on other days, even in January.
Contemporary customs outside Europe and North America
But that's not Christian. No wonder you are faux.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
With the spread of Christianity beyond Europe and North America, the
celebration of Christmas was transferred to societies throughout the
non-Western world. In many of these countries, Christians are not the
majority population, and therefore the religious holiday has not
become a cultural holiday. Christmas customs in these societies thus
often echo Western traditions because the people were exposed to
Christianity as a religion and cultural artifact of the West. Among
the few exceptions is Ethiopia, where Christianity has had a home ever
since the 4th century and where the Ethiopian Orthodox Church
celebrates Christmas on January 7. The Russian Orthodox Church also
recognizes January 7 as Christmas Day, and the Armenian church honours
January 6 as Christmas.
So Mr. know it all Duke, your are the faux here, and do not even know
how to check out facts, before you show us here, how ignorant you
really are.
Fine, let those foreigners do that.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Post by duke
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
and your so ignorant and never had any
training in the history of the holidays and why they are on the day
they are, it is easy to see why you think everyone but you are a fake
or "faux" when we can see by your replies you really do not know very
much at all.
Yet I do and you don't, you faux pastor.
Yet again you prove you do not know and I am a real Pastor, you are
not even a good lay catholic.
Not only do I know, but I also know you are a faux pastor.
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
Post by duke
Post by Dr. R. Knapp
You're also ignorant of Christianity.
The kind of "Christianity" you see to think is real, everyone is
ignorant of, as it is all in you head, and you a layman have no
Theology training so it is clear why you think as you do and reject
the facts and truth.    The more you post the more you show, all the
readers how little you do know,
Thank you again Mr. Duncishness for the opportunity to show how
ignorant you really are again. Your Priest should ask you to stop
making his church look so bad in public.
Bishop R. Knapp.
What church are you a bishop in?

The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17

It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
vince garcia
2012-01-06 23:00:59 UTC
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DUKE’S UNIVERSALIST HERESY EXPOSED

Listen to Catholic Answers say "Oh dear!" when I repeat Duke's very
words on how Jews, Moslems, and even ATHEISTS are saved if they live
Godly: And to him, “Godly” means “Keep the 10 commandments”
as he has repeatedly said about himself, jews, moslems, and others!
The Jews aren't going to hell any more than
the Christians. But all bad men will be.
Salvation is for anyone who lives Christ-like" regardless of
faith - Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, atheist.
I have the words of the RCC behind my words that salvation is
for the Christ-like, regardless of religious faith.
I heard a homily by a priest where he said Jews are saved by
keeping the 10 commandments. Christians are saved by following Jesus.
Jesus told the Jews that would live for keeping the 10 commandments.
Obedience should bring them eternal life as they are obeying God.
They're saved by following the 10 commandments faithfully.
Apostle Paul:
Gal 3:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works
of the law: for by the works of the law shall NO flesh be justified.
I am more convinced that ever that God will save every man, woman and child he
possibly can, regardless of their religious faith or their general sins, as long
as they faithfully follow him in THEIR OWN WAY. [My emphasis]
HOW MANY ATHEISTS KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS?!

I don’t know any atheists who keep the Sabbath commandment.
Yet Duke says you must keep the 10--including the Sabbath command
to be saved, and quotes Matthew 19 to that effect.
The Gospel says that "salvation is of those that are Christ-like.” And now you
know what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is. You and vince can call Catholic
Answers on that one.
Please, please, please do contact Catholic Answers if you don't believe me.
Well, I did. Here are the results where they agree with ME and say YOU
are wrong!

Hear them say what I've told Duke for years: To have a chance for a jew
or moslem to be saved, he must be INVINCIBLY IGNORANT of the gospel, not
"Salvation is for anyone hwo lives Christ-like regardless of faith -
Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, atheist" as duke claims.

Did you get that, Duke?

Hear them state Jews must be “INVINCIBLY IGNORANT OF THE GOSPEL”
to have a chance at salvation.

Let’s see what the REAL Catholic Church says about Duke’s false
doctrine:


"The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes
and preaches that none of those existing outside the
Catholic Church, not only pagans, BUT ALSO JEWS and
heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal;
but that they will go into the eternal fire which was
prepared for the devil and his angels, UNLESS BEFORE
DEATH they are joined with Her; and that so important
is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those
remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments
of the Church unto salvation and they alone can receive
an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings,
their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a
Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great
as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the
Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within
the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."
-- Pope Eugene IV From his Bull Cantate Domino, 1441


Now We consider another abundant source of the evils with which the
Church is afflicted at present: indifferentism. This perverse opinion is
spread on all sides by the fraud of the wicked who claim that it is
possible to obtain the eternal salvation of the soul by the profession
of any kind of religion, AS LONG AS MORALITY IS MAINTAINED.
--ENCYCLICAL OF POPE GREGORY XVI
Salvation is for anyone who lives Christ-like" regardless of
faith - Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, atheist.
All people that respond positively to the teachings of Jesus, from pagan to
Jew to Muslim to Christian who live the right life can be saved.
Hear Catholic Answers specifically deny jews are saved one way, and
Christians
by another as Duke teaches.


Check the Monday nov 21 show, 1st caller.

http://www.catholic.com/radio/calendar

So AGAIN--we have Duke making up his own doctrine about how "all israel
will be saved" means the Jews are goling to heaven, and REAL
catholicapologists contradicting it and saying just what I've been
trying to get into his addled brain


DUKE’S NESTORIAN HERESY EXPOSED...

Nestorianism is a Christological doctrine advanced by Nestorius,
Patriarch of Constantinople from 428–431. The doctrine, which was
informed by Nestorius's studies under Theodore of Mopsuestia at the
School of Antioch, emphasizes the disunion between the human and divine
natures of Jesus.

Duke follows and teaches this heresy, claiming that because Jesus was
fully human, so his human nature did not know of His Divine nature
during His life except, perhaps, at the very end of His ministry.
Either Jesus didn’t know about His divine nature, or if He did, it was only toward
the end of His ministry.
Nobody knows when Jesus may have come to know of his
divine nature, but the RCC thinks it was likely just prior to the
cross, or as I've read.
Jesus emptied himself of his divine self.
Hear the host and apologist at Catholic Answers AGHAST at such heresy
spoken by an alleged Catholic.

This sort of heresy is unrepentant Mortal sin denying a key dogma of the
Church
on the Trinity and Hypostatic Union.

So feel free to listen to the Tues July 25, second show 40:30 into it as
the apologist and host go "Oo!" and "Wow!" in shock, and hit the "that
sounds like heresy" button as I repeat what Duke posts regularly here:
that Jesus either did not know of His divine nature at all, or else knew
just before the cross.
They don't have a heresy button
Listen and Judge for yourself

http://www.catholic.com/radio/calendar

On this, there "isn't really any debate; the church is clear on this
issue" ...except for duke who denies Catholic Dogma in favor of his own.

In fact, the catechism says he should not be be able to receive
Communion because of his beliefs:

1355 In the communion, preceded by the Lord's prayer and the breaking of
the bread, the faithful receive "the bread of heaven" and "the cup of
salvation," the body and blood of Christ who offered himself "for the
life of the world":181

Because this bread and wine have been made Eucharist ("eucharisted,"
according to an ancient expression), "we call this food Eucharist, and
no one may take part in it UNLESS HE BELIEVES WHAT WE TEACH IS TRUE, has
received baptism for the forgiveness of sins and new birth, and lives in
keeping with what Christ taught."

Duke doesn’t believe what the church teaches is true. he believes in his
own doctrines.


There is a technical term for those Catholics who wish to follow
the dictates of their conscience when it comes to matters of Faith and
Morals, especially in those areas where the doctrines and dogmas have
been made plain. They are called "Protestants".
-- pyotr filipivich

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

vince garcia
2011-12-27 21:23:13 UTC
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DUKE’S UNIVERSALIST HERESY EXPOSED

Listen to Catholic Answers say "Oh dear!" when I repeat Duke's very
words on how Jews, Moslems, and even ATHEISTS are saved if they live
Godly: And to him, “Godly” means “Keep the 10 commandments”
as he has repeatedly said about himself, jews, moslems, and others!
The Jews aren't going to hell any more than
the Christians. But all bad men will be.
Salvation is for anyone who lives Christ-like" regardless of
faith - Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, atheist.
I have the words of the RCC behind my words that salvation is
for the Christ-like, regardless of religious faith.
I heard a homily by a priest where he said Jews are saved by
keeping the 10 commandments. Christians are saved by following Jesus.
Obedience should bring them eternal life as they are obeying God.
They're saved by following the 10 commandments faithfully.
Apostle Paul:
Gal 3:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works
of the law: for by the works of the law shall NO flesh be justified.
I am more convinced that ever that God will save every man, woman and child he
possibly can, regardless of their religious faith or their general sins, as long
as they faithfully follow him in THEIR OWN WAY. [My emphasis]
HOW MANY ATHEISTS KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS?!

I don’t know any atheists who keep the Sabbath commandment.
Yet Duke says you must keep the 10--including the Sabbath command
to be saved, and quotes Matthew 19 to that effect.
The Gospel says that "salvation is of those that are Christ-like.” And now you
know what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is. You and vince can call Catholic
Answers on that one.
Please, please, please do contact Catholic Answers if you don't believe me.
Well, I did. Here are the results where they agree with ME and say YOU
are wrong!

Hear them say what I've told Duke for years: To have a chance for a jew
or moslem to be saved, he must be INVINCIBLY IGNORANT of the gospel, not
"Salvation is for anyone hwo lives Christ-like regardless of faith -
Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, atheist" as duke claims.

Did you get that, Duke?

Hear them state Jews must be “INVINCIBLY IGNORANT OF THE GOSPEL”
to have a chance at salvation.

Let’s see what the REAL Catholic Church says about Duke’s false
doctrine:


"The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes
and preaches that none of those existing outside the
Catholic Church, not only pagans, BUT ALSO JEWS and
heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal;
but that they will go into the eternal fire which was
prepared for the devil and his angels, UNLESS BEFORE
DEATH they are joined with Her; and that so important
is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those
remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments
of the Church unto salvation and they alone can receive
an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings,
their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a
Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great
as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the
Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within
the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."
-- Pope Eugene IV From his Bull Cantate Domino, 1441


Now We consider another abundant source of the evils with which the
Church is afflicted at present: indifferentism. This perverse opinion is
spread on all sides by the fraud of the wicked who claim that it is
possible to obtain the eternal salvation of the soul by the profession
of any kind of religion, AS LONG AS MORALITY IS MAINTAINED.
--ENCYCLICAL OF POPE GREGORY XVI
Salvation is for anyone who lives Christ-like" regardless of
faith - Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, atheist.
All people that respond positively to the teachings of Jesus, from pagan to
Jew to Muslim to Christian who live the right life can be saved.
Hear Catholic Answers specifically deny jews are saved one way, and
Christians
by another as Duke teaches.


Check the Monday nov 21 show, 1st caller.

http://www.catholic.com/radio/calendar

So AGAIN--we have Duke making up his own doctrine about how "all israel
will be saved" means the Jews are goling to heaven, and REAL
catholicapologists contradicting it and saying just what I've been
trying to get into his addled brain


DUKE’S NESTORIAN HERESY EXPOSED...

Nestorianism is a Christological doctrine advanced by Nestorius,
Patriarch of Constantinople from 428–431. The doctrine, which was
informed by Nestorius's studies under Theodore of Mopsuestia at the
School of Antioch, emphasizes the disunion between the human and divine
natures of Jesus.

Duke follows and teaches this heresy, claiming that because Jesus was
fully human, so his human nature did not know of His Divine nature
during His life except, perhaps, at the very end of His ministry.
Either Jesus didn’t know about His divine nature, or if He did, it was only toward
the end of His ministry.
Nobody knows when Jesus may have come to know of his
divine nature, but the RCC thinks it was likely just prior to the
cross, or as I've read.
Jesus emptied himself of his divine self.
Hear the host and apologist at Catholic Answers AGHAST at such heresy
spoken by an alleged Catholic.

This sort of heresy is unrepentant Mortal sin denying a key dogma of the
Church
on the Trinity and Hypostatic Union.

So feel free to listen to the Tues July 25, second show 40:30 into it as
the apologist and host go "Oo!" and "Wow!" in shock, and hit the "that
sounds like heresy" button as I repeat what Duke posts regularly here:
that Jesus either did not know of His divine nature at all, or else knew
just before the cross.
They don't have a heresy button
Listen and Judge for yourself

http://www.catholic.com/radio/calendar

On this, there "isn't really any debate; the church is clear on this
issue" ...except for duke who denies Catholic Dogma in favor of his own.

In fact, the catechism says he should not be be able to receive
Communion because of his beliefs:

1355 In the communion, preceded by the Lord's prayer and the breaking of
the bread, the faithful receive "the bread of heaven" and "the cup of
salvation," the body and blood of Christ who offered himself "for the
life of the world":181

Because this bread and wine have been made Eucharist ("eucharisted,"
according to an ancient expression), "we call this food Eucharist, and
no one may take part in it UNLESS HE BELIEVES WHAT WE TEACH IS TRUE, has
received baptism for the forgiveness of sins and new birth, and lives in
keeping with what Christ taught."

Duke doesn’t believe what the church teaches is true. he believes in his
own doctrines.


There is a technical term for those Catholics who wish to follow
the dictates of their conscience when it comes to matters of Faith and
Morals, especially in those areas where the doctrines and dogmas have
been made plain. They are called "Protestants".
-- pyotr filipivich

Couldn’t have said it better myself.
arah
2011-12-20 18:10:04 UTC
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On Dec 17, 1:37 pm, "Dr. R. Knapp" <***@aim.com> wrote:

"..... I suppose God
sees Himself as the one responsible for all of our evil ways and
sins,
as it was not for God none of us would of been born, Islamic or
Jewish, pagan, or Christian all that is, God made, and God paid the
price for that and now we all can come to God, because of Jesus
Christ
the Lord who gave himself willingly for you and I to be saved from
sin ..."

Speaking about Allah, the Most High, without knowledge, is the
foremost aspect of shirk, which incurs the most severe punishment from
Allah. For this reason, this is not allowed under any circumstances.
This is clearly communicated by Allah in Surah A'araaf, which
highlights the severity of this sin, by comparing it with other major
sins. He, the Mighty said:

"Say: The things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are, Al-Fawaahish
(every kind of illegal sexual intercourse) whether committed openly or
secretly He, the Most High then moved on to describe a more severe
sin, unjust oppression"

Then to that sin which is even more severe:

"joining partners (in worship) with Allah (shirk), for which He gave
no authority"

And then He, the All-Knowing punctuated it with that sin which most
severe:

"and saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge. " [Al-
A'araaf 7: 331

In the Tafseer of this Aayah, the scholars of Islam have said that:
"If speaking about Islam (Allah, the Most High) is not the greatest
crime, then Allah certainly intended to emphasize it that way. Zinaa
(fornication and adultery), the first mentioned (sin in the Aayah) is
an act of one committing a sin on his/her own soul.

Secondly: (Allah mentions) oppression, a sin committed against others.
This is definitely a greater evil. Then He, the Most High mentions
shirk (i.e. joining partners in worship with Allah), obviously a
greater evil than the first two, and finally, speaking without
knowledge in Islam; Every sin that followed was always greater than
the previous one. Thus, if it (speaking about Allah without knowledge)
is not the greatest of sins, as it was mentioned last, it was
certainly intended (by Allah) to be understood that way."

It should be seriously noted that this very grave sin is only because
of Satan's encouragement of the ignorant and sometimes arrogant
seekers of name and fame.

Allah, the Most High said:

"Verily, it is indeed Satan that makes you do evil and say things
about Allah (or His deen) of which you have no proper knowledge." [Al-
Baqarah 2:169]

Therefore, based upon the above aayah, we find that this is the most
serious prohibition with Allah Himself. The following categories of
sins are incorporated in "Speaking of Allah without knowledge":

a) Lying upon Allah, the Almighty.

b) Attributing to Allah, the Most High, what is not suitable for Him

c) Bid'ah (innovation) or modifying and altering Allah's Deen

d) Negating what He, the Most High, has affirmed

e) Affirming what He, the Most High, negated

f) Hostility to those who champion His cause

g) Supporting His enemies

h) Loving those whom He hates and hating those He loves

i) Describing Him with what does not befit Him in His Essence, His
Attributes, His Statements or His Actions.

Therefore, because of the amount of sins included in this category,
there can be no greater prohibition. It is from this sin that Shirk
(associating partners with Allah) and all forms of Kufr (disbelief)
originate. All forms of Bid'ah (innovations) are also founded upon
"speaking about Allah without knowledge."
WHY CHRISTIAN CONTINUE  CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS IN WINTER ON 25 DEC?
Simple, why not?  One day is as good as the other day, since it been a
habit for the last few thousand years, there is no reason to change
it.  Look at all the paperwork that would have to be done to redo a
date in all the computers, and papers and so on.  It is easy to just
use that date then any other.   Christians know it is not the day
Jesus was born, it is only a day that was open to use while all the
pagans were dunk and so no one would stop believers from using it, as
the pagans had all those days as theirs.   Remember then they were
killing Christians and so if one is smart and want to see another day
they use what was a safe day.   Most know no sheep were on the hills
in the middle of winter, then it is only a day to remember what did
happen.   Every day would be a nice day to remember Christmas, and to
the believer in God and the saviour to use everyday is a day to
remember the birth of the Messiah, the Saviour, God that came in the
form of child to redeem all that will come, even you Muslim if you
would turn to God in Christ.   Merry Christmas to all and to all a
good night and life in Jehovah God.
Luke 2:8 speaks about the shepherds near Bethlehem who were in the
fields, watching their flocks at night. Shepherds in that region did
not keep their sheep out at night during the Winter because it was
cold and sometimes even snowy, but they did keep them in the fields
during the Fall, after the end-of-Summer harvest. At that time, the
sheep could eat the stalks of grain left over after the harvest, and
they would then fertilize the ground prior to the late Fall planting.
Also, Luke 2:1 says that when Mary was just about to give birth to
Jesus, she and Joseph traveled to Bethlehem to fulfill their
obligation to be counted in a Roman census. They did not travel in the
Winter because it would have been much too hard. Rather, people
traveled in the Fall, between the heat of Summer and the cold of
Winter. And at that time of year the grain, and also some fruit, were
ripe, and travelers were allowed to eat some of the “gleanings” as
they passed by (Lev. 23:22).
.
Now you know why any day is good to use, and the reasons it was not
the day the birth happen but the time to use as no one wrote the date
down in their datebook.   People travel when they are commanded by the
law no matter what the weather is, I do so now, why go to jail over a
little cold weather, you have nothing to say here, nice made believe
story, only the facts is it did happen, and the book of Lev. 23:22 is
a few thousand years early and has not a thing to do with the trip or
the time Jesus was born, or where he was born or that he is God in the
human form as promised so to pay for the sins mankind, I suppose God
sees Himself as the one responsible for all of our evil ways and sins,
as it was not for God none of us would of been born, Islamic or
Jewish, pagan, or Christian all that is, God made, and God paid the
price for that and now we all can come to God, because of Jesus Christ
the Lord who gave himself willingly for you and I to be saved from sin
and when we die, go to be with God in Heaven, and not in Hell the lake
of Fire for them that reject what God has done.  Reject Jesus you
reject the gift of everlasting life in Glory for the pain of Hell.  It
is really up to you now to make the choice, Heaven or Hell, no third
door.
In the love of God,
Dr. R. Knappwww.pioneers-for-jesus.org- Hide quoted text -
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2011-12-21 01:32:22 UTC
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Jhn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.


Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.


Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any
thing made that was made.


Jhn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


Jhn 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness
comprehended it not.


Jhn 1:6 ¶ There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John.


Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light,
that all [men] through him might believe.


Jhn 1:8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of
that Light.


Jhn 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that
cometh into the world.


Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and
the world knew him not.


Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.


Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to
become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:


Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the
flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we
beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.
Dr. R. Knapp
2011-12-29 04:29:24 UTC
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Post by arah
"..... I suppose God
sees Himself as the one responsible for all of our evil ways and sins,
as it was not for God none of us would of been born, Islamic or
Jewish, pagan, or Christian all that is, God made, and God paid the
price for that and now we all can come to God, because of Jesus Christ
the Lord who gave himself willingly for you and I to be saved from
sin ..."
God made human people, what they did after being born, is their own
doing, just like you Mother made you, she did not know what you would
be or what you are today at the time you were made of your mom and
dad. What religion you chose is your choice, God made the truth and
showed the way to be saved from Hell, then it is up to you, not God
which way you go and what false god you serve today.
Post by arah
Speaking about Allah, the Most High, without knowledge, is the
foremost aspect of shirk, which incurs the most severe punishment from
Allah. For this reason, this is not allowed under any circumstances.
This is clearly communicated by Allah in Surah A'araaf, which
highlights the severity of this sin, by comparing it with other major
It would be nice if you stop lying, as your Allah is not anything but
the name of a pagan god that was such even when Muhammad was alive.
He is not the Mighty and what you say he said was only the words that
your so called prophet said, and them that wrote the Quran said, not
the words of the ONE and ONLY True GOD that Jesus showed in His life
on earth.

Since your god is not the real God, the rest of your message is
useless and removed as the words of a false teacher that Jesus Christ
said would come, and here you all are.
j***@satx.rr.com
2011-12-17 22:50:38 UTC
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Luk 2:1 ¶ And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a
decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.


Luk 2:2 ([And] this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was
governor of Syria.)


Luk 2:3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.


Luk 2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of
Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called
Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)


Luk 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with
child.


Luk 2:6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were
accomplished that she should be delivered.


Luk 2:7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in
swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room
for them in the inn.


Luk 2:8 ¶ And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the
field, keeping watch over their flock by night.


Luk 2:9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the
glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.


Luk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I
bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.


Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a
Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.


Luk 2:12 And this [shall be] a sign unto you; Ye shall find the
babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.


Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the
heavenly host praising God, and saying,


Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will
toward men.


Luk 2:15 And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from
them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go
even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which
the Lord hath made known unto us.
Paul Duca
2011-12-18 15:17:26 UTC
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Luk 2:1 ¶ And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a
decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
 Luk 2:2   ([And] this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was
governor of Syria.)
 Luk 2:3   And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
 Luk 2:4   And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of
Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called
Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)
 Luk 2:5   To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with
child.
 Luk 2:6   And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were
accomplished that she should be delivered.
 Luk 2:7   And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in
swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room
for them in the inn.
 Luk 2:8 ¶ And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the
field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
One of the arguments is that sheperds only stay up at night with their
flocks during the birthing
season--early spring.


Paul
Post by j***@satx.rr.com
 Luk 2:9   And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the
glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
 Luk 2:10   And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I
bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
 Luk 2:11   For unto you is born this day in the city of David a
Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
 Luk 2:12   And this [shall be] a sign unto you; Ye shall find the
babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
 Luk 2:13   And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the
heavenly host praising God, and saying,
 Luk 2:14   Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will
toward men.
 Luk 2:15   And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from
them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go
even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which
the Lord hath made known unto us.
uragoner
2011-12-19 14:49:43 UTC
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READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF -
http://www.arabicbible.com/
http://www.theophilos.sk/download.htm#free

http://www.thegrace.com/download.htm
or Check Google or another
search engine.

Our Infinite God, The One who can truly see the end and the beginning
has
given the proof of His omniscience in the form of Biblical prophecies.
Here
is where the Koran fails miserably in its attempt to replace the
Bible.
the plans of Satan and His attack on the church and The Christ are
revealed.
Here despite death for all of the earth's inhabitants, salvation is
revealed.
Not by works, but by faith and that not blindly for God has provided
prophecy that all may see.

Islam is a satanic counterfeit that attacks Jesus Christ directly. It
states that Christ was nothing more than a prophet, and that Mohammed
is
greater that Him and all the other Biblical prophets that pointed to
Christ- the
Savior and the Son of God. ( see Genesis 49:10 &11, Psalm 2:7; Psalm
22, Isaiah 53, 7:14, Micah 5:2, Zechariah 9:9, Deuteronomy 18:18 (the
one Muslims try to hijack the most,
compare with John 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle
that Jesus did,
said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the
world.), In other word Christ fulfills the prophecy of Deuteronomy
18:18, and not mohamed as muslims vainly suppose.

Yet it doesn't address the fact that there were other prophets after
Christ, true
prophets - the apostle John and his Revelation, (also Act 15:32 And
Judas and Silas, being themselves also prophets, exhorted the brethren
with many words, and confirmed them.)

It rejects future prophets, not those chasing falsehoods and bred in
deception and violence, but rather those who are blessed with the
latter
rain having kept God's commandments through Jesus Christ - His Son.
Acts
2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will
pour out of my Spirit
upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and
your young
men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: It rejects
Gods Ten Commandments, written by His finger, an unchanging and
eternal God,
And the faith of Jesus Christ. see Revelation 14:12 & Revelation
19:10. It shall bring about the end of civilization as we know it see
Daniel 11:35 to 12:5, Isaiah 24. Serving a god of war, and not the God
of Righteousness.

Prove it you say?...



Psalms 14:1 <<To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.>> The fool hath
said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done
abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if
there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there
is
none that doeth good, no, not one.


Christianity and Crusaders? Biblically there is a difference and like
Islam, it was forewarned about in the Bible.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Mathew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is
your
Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that
shall
humble himself shall be exalted.


The Pope


Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and
shall
wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and
laws:
and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the
dividing of time.( The Pope thinks to change the Ten Commandments, The
Sabbath - the sign of the True Creator, and Idolatry) Note despite
Christ's
warning the Priests of this faith call themselves father, and the pope
-
the
most holy father.....hence blasphemy of the True Father in Heaven.


2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day
shall
not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin
be
revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or
that
is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing
himself that he is God.(Thinking he's changed God's sabbath to Sunday,
killing and conquering in the name of Jesus (and neglecting the cross)
for
filthy lucre and power. He calls himself the most holy father....total
blasphemy against Jesus' own words)


Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast
rise
up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his
horns
ten
crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were
as
the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the
dragon
gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his
deadly
wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. (Wounded
by
Napoleon in 1798, healed by Mussolini)
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and
they
worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able
to
make war with him?
Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great
things
and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and
two
months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his
name,
and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to
overcome
them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and
nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are
not
written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of
the
world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that
killeth
with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and
the
faith of the saints. (written to avoid any wavering of faith due to
the
Roman church's claims versus her actions)


Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed
fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk
with
the
wine of her fornication.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a
woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy,
having
seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked
with
gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand
full
of
abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE
GREAT,
THE
MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
(Babylon the source of may nations, tongue peoples, and faiths despite
Ephesians 4:5)
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with
the
blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with
great
admiration.
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell
thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her,
which
hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of
the
bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the
earth
shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from
the
foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is
not,
and yet is.
Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven
heads
are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they
that
keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


The seven heads are the mountains of Rome - the city of 7 hills .
Check an
encyclopedia.
The church - a virgin. So then, a corrupt church - a whore.
This power sought to destroy the Bible, keeping it in Latin so that
very
few
could read it.
This power sought to resolve various worldly religions with itself -
selling
its virtue in the process:
Prayer beads - the rosary
The merger with paganism - the worship of the Heavens including the
sun -
Changing God's Sabbath to Sunday (Daniel 7:25) the venerable day of
the
sun,
and the day Christ rose from the Dead. Made law by Roman emperor
Constantine
in 538 AD
The merging of pagan holidays within the so called church. (Mostly
around
the equinoxes and other seasonal changes...Christmas, Easter etc.)
Idolatry - images of who?


ISLAM THE TRUTH - A prophet greater than Jesus Christ? Revelation
16:13


Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the
Desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself
above all. (Mohammed)
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom
his fathers(Abraham and the true Prophets) knew not shall he honour
with gold,
and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things (Mosques).
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god
(Allah),
whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause
them
to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at
him:and
the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with
chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter
into
the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land (Israel), and many
countries
shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even
Edom,
and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the
land
of Egypt shall not escape.
43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver,
and
over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the
Ethiopians
shall be at his steps.
44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him:
therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to
make away many.
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas
in
the glorious holy mountain(al aqsa in Jerusalem,oh yes and the dome of
the
rock...it did say tabernacles didn't it); yet he shall come to his
end,
and none shall help him.
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up(Judgement on the
Earth is past. Read the Book of Hebrews in the New Testament), the
great prince
which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a
time
of trouble, (Started by the destruction of the oil fields,of which
some
sheiks & clerics are already planning, but will not be able to
accomplish til the
Lord allows it.) such as never was since there was a nation even to
that same time: and at
that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found
written in the book



The burning of the oil fields including Iraq (Babylon).....oh yes
America will be involved in this. One third of mankind dead, the
impending war is on the horizon. Revelation 9:18.



Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment,
saying,
Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour
is
thy judgment come.
11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for
no
man
buyeth their merchandise any more:
12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of
pearls,
and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine
wood,
and
all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious
wood,
and of brass, and iron, and marble

Adios, Iraq,Saudi Arabia and much of the Middle East, oh yeah and I
guess
the world's economy.....oh


THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
Written by God's finger in stone... an unchanging God!


Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of
any
thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or
that is
in the water under the earth: (crying statues of Mary?)
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the
LORD
thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon
the
children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my
commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the
LORD
will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou
shalt
not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant,
nor
thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy
gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all
that
in
them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the
Sabbath
day, and hallowed it. (Saturday , actually from Friday sunset to
Saturday
sunset)
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon
the
land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet
thy
neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox,
nor
his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the
noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people
saw
it,
they removed, and stood afar off.
19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but
let
not God speak with us, lest we die.


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
prophets:
I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ( Christ speaking here)

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to
destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have
it
more abundant


Another thread:


America:


Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the
earth;
and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
After the nuclear destruction of the Middle East oil fields
US shall mandate its own religion and make and image to the Beast
(Catholicism & the Pope or Church state) . There shall no longer be a
separation of church
and state ( the two horns or powers ) but Sunday laws (in
contradiction to

God's
Sabbath) and the true Christian mind set .
IN OTHER WORDS -- forced religious observance, hence speaking as a
dragon
(no longer a lamb)
Sound familiar.........forced religion (The beast and the false
prophet)


And so you have the puzzle of Rev. 16:13: Catholicism and its forced
observance, Protestantism and its upcoming force observance (Sunday
Laws,
despite the Sabbath being the 7th day, and Islam and its forced
observance
of religion). All shall have power to control your ability to work -
to
buy
and sell as it were. And all ignore God's fourth Commandment, as do
the
Atheists (needless to say, but they'll do what the various governments
tell
them)


Compare Deuteronomy 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine
hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. (Ten
Commandments)
w/ :
Revelation 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire
come
down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those
miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to
them
that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast,
which
had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast (church
state
albeit dominantly Protestant), that the image of the beast should both
speak, and cause that as many as would not
worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and
bond,
to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or
the
name of the beast, or the number of his name.


Some of the Jews wear these things on there foreheads (phylacteries?),
but
the gist of the passages are what you do and how you think. The Ten
Commandments, or man's variation thereof....
(The Biblical Sabbath or Sunday.... man's variation )


Anyway we're getting close to a real economic bummer....Cities will
burn,(already seen this in LA & New York, etc. from little incidents
like
power outages, or police aggression, but this will be world wide and
much
worse), famine throughout the entire world, nuclear fallout from the
oil
fields...-
desperate men will do
desperate things


Again:
Peace in the Middle East.... (or anywhere?) When our world leaders
talk
of
this, WE SHOULD BE FRIGHTENED


1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then
sudden
destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and
they
shall not escape.


Kind of makes me wonder what Bible our world leaders are reading
anyway.......
Anything less than this is a lie


The True State of Death


Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead
know
not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of
them
is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished;
neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is
done
under the sun.


In a nutshell


John 11:8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought
to
stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man
walk
in
the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no
light
in him.
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend
Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had
spoken
of
taking of rest in sleep.
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye
may
believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his
fellowdisciples,
Let
us also go, that we may die with him.
17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four
days
already.
18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:
19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them
concerning
their brother.
20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and
met
him: but Mary sat still in the house.
21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my
brother
had not died.
22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God
will
give it thee.
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.


John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in
the
resurrection at the last day. (Important there are many who seem to be
confused here)
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that
believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest
thou
this?
27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ,
the
Son of God, which should come into the world.
28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her
sister
secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.
29 As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him.
30 Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place
where
Martha met him.
31 The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her,
when
they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her,
saying,
She goeth unto the grave to weep there.
32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down
at
his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother
had
not
died.
33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping
which
came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come
and
see.
35 Jesus wept. ( for the great unbelief of man)
36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!
37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of
the
blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?
38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It
was
a
cave, and a stone lay upon it.
39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that
was
dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been
dead
four days.
John 11:40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou
wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was
laid.
And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou
hast
heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people
which
stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus,
come
forth.
44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with
graveclothes:
and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them,
Loose
him, and let him go.
45 Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things
which
Jesus did, believed on him.
46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them
what
things Jesus had done.
47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and
said,
What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the
Romans
shall come and take away both our place and nation. (Lucifer's
interjection,
no doubt)
49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same
year,
said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die
for
the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year,
he
prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather
together
in
one the children of God that were scattered abroad. Jews and Gentiles


1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord,
that
we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not
prevent
them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with
the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in
Christ
shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them
in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be
with
the
Lord. (Meet Him in the Air - ANYTHING ELSE IS A LIE ! )
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


BUT just before.... Satan appears for one last lie:

Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into
an
angel of light.


2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in
them
that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that
they
might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
should
believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had
pleasure in unrighteousness.


Why so many denominations and religions ?


Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
but
holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even
as
there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in
damnable
heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon
themselves
swift destruction.
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