Discussion:
'Imagine no religion,' says atheists' display
(too old to reply)
J Young
2007-12-10 05:07:03 UTC
Permalink
This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
upon others.







http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59111 HOLIDAY
BLUES



'Imagine no religion,' says atheists' display



Residents irked by city-approved sign in public park blaming faith for 9/11
Posted: December 9, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern




© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Connecticut atheists, taking advantage of a town's policy of allowing
holiday-season displays in its public park, have erected a 10-foot tall sign
in celebration of the winter solstice that includes a message blaming the
attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, on religious believers.

The 3-sided sign was erected in the Town of Vernon's Central Park on Dec. 1
by the Connecticut Valley Atheists. The two sides facing Main Street feature
a pre-attack image of the Twin Towers with the sun shining between them and
the message, "Imagine no religion," drawn from the John Lennon anthem,
"Imagine."

Use of the image is meant to say the Twin Towers would still be standing
were it not for religion, CVA coordinator Dennis Himes told the Hartford
Courant.

The goal is to "simply emphasize an advantage of atheism, something good
about atheism," Himes said. "Al-Qaida is not a terrorist organization that
happens to be religious, it is a terrorist organization that is inspired by
its religious beliefs."

The third side of the sign faces town hall with a message about the winter
solstice - the basis for the group being given a permit. It reads:

"In late December the sun is lower and days are shorter than any time of
year. Throughout the rest of winter the sun gets higher and the days get
longer. Because of this people have celebrated the winter solstice from time
immemorial. People used to believe that gods moved the sun across the sky.
Today we know that there are no gods, and that the sun moves by natural
causes, and we celebrate not only the movement of the sun but our ability to
understand that movement."

"We would prefer no displays promoting theological worldviews be displayed
at all, but as long as they are we thank the Town of Vernon for permitting
atheists equal access," the group says on its website.

"The town marked off three spots in the park," Himes said. "The notice to
groups said first come, first served, so we picked the one right in front of
town hall. We fully expected the other displays to be up around the same
time we put ours up."

While the town issued permits to a local synagogue for a menorah display and
to a group of churches that plan to place a creche in the park, the atheists
were the first to erect their display - indeed, as of the weekend, theirs
remained the only display except for a large Christmas tree Mayor Jason L.
McCoy had a town crew erect 10 feet from the atheists' sign.

McCoy rejected suggestions placement of the tree is meant to obstruct views
of the atheists' display. When told that it did, in fact, obstruct the view,
McCoy responded to the Courant, "Oh, really - that's unfortunate."

McCoy and other town officials have been fielding complaint calls for a week
from residents angry at the group's suggestion their religion was
responsible for 9/11.

"People are not offended the atheists have something up there, and they're
not offended by whatever they celebrate. What they're troubled by is they
feel [their] religion is equated with being involved in terrorism," McCoy
said.

Officials also said the tone of the atheists' display appeared to be more
political and not consistent with the description given on their permit
application of a "triangular stand displaying information about the winter
solstice, atheism and human light observance."

Himes insists the town made the issue political when it decided to allow
religious displays on public property.

"The original question was whether Vernon would have a nativity scene on
church property or town property," Himes said. "The difference between those
two is a political difference."

For generations, Vernon has displayed its circa-World War II creche in the
park, but it was moved to St. Bernard Church last year after Hines
complained, saying the town was violating the separation of church and
state.

Republican town committee members passed a unanimous resolution calling for
the creche to be returned to its traditional location in the park in 2007. A
new policy, crafted last August, grants equal space for any group wanting to
set up traditional displays or symbolic messages during the month of
December.

Sandi LaChapelle, owner of Russ' Time Rock 'n' Roll Diner, told the Courant
visitors to her business have been commenting on the photo of the sun
streaming between the Twin Towers.

"The sun forms a cross," she said.

"That certainly wasn't intentional," Himes said.









--
J Young
***@aol.com
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-10 05:17:50 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:

> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
> values upon others.


And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.

You fucking hypocrite.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"How come God gets credit whenever something good happens? Where was he
when her heart stopped?"

- Dr. House
J Young
2007-12-10 05:34:24 UTC
Permalink
"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:***@giganews.com...
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>
>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
>> values upon others.
>
>
> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>
> You fucking hypocrite.
>
>


That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in matters
of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
become a Christian.
Mirage
2007-12-10 06:40:11 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>
> >> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
> >> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
> >> values upon others.
>
> > And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>
> > You fucking hypocrite.
>
> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in matters
> of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
> become a Christian.

You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
and die of asphyxiation.

That means "suffocating", little boy.

It's when you can't breathe.

It makes you die.

Jeez, insulting morons is hard.

"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
remember.

We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
*have* any!
Vandar
2007-12-10 14:33:47 UTC
Permalink
Mirage wrote:

> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>
>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
>>>>values upon others.
>>
>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>
>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>
>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in matters
>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>become a Christian.
>
>
> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
> and die of asphyxiation.
>
> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>
> It's when you can't breathe.
>
> It makes you die.
>
> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>
> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
> It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
> remember.
>
> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
> *have* any!

Yes you do.
SeppoP
2007-12-10 14:38:55 UTC
Permalink
Vandar wrote:
> Mirage wrote:
>
>> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
>>>>> values upon others.
>>>
>>>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>
>>>> You fucking hypocrite.
>>>
>>> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>> matters
>>> of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>> become a Christian.
>>
>>
>> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>> and die of asphyxiation.
>>
>> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>
>> It's when you can't breathe.
>>
>> It makes you die.
>>
>> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>
>> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>> It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>> remember.
>>
>> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>> *have* any!
>
> Yes you do.
>

Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not
playing" piano.)

--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
Vandar
2007-12-10 15:24:59 UTC
Permalink
SeppoP wrote:

> Vandar wrote:
>
>> Mirage wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> values upon others.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You fucking hypocrite.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>> matters
>>>> of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>>> become a Christian.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>> and die of asphyxiation.
>>>
>>> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>
>>> It's when you can't breathe.
>>>
>>> It makes you die.
>>>
>>> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>
>>> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>> It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>> remember.
>>>
>>> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>> *have* any!
>>
>>
>> Yes you do.
>>
>
> Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
> don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)

Belief that no god(s) exist.
harry k
2007-12-10 16:06:22 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> SeppoP wrote:
> > Vandar wrote:
>
> >> Mirage wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
> >>>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>
> >>>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>
> >>>>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
> >>>>>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
> >>>>>> their
> >>>>>> values upon others.
>
> >>>>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>
> >>>>> You fucking hypocrite.
>
> >>>> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
> >>>> matters
> >>>> of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
> >>>> become a Christian.
>
> >>> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
> >>> and die of asphyxiation.
>
> >>> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>
> >>> It's when you can't breathe.
>
> >>> It makes you die.
>
> >>> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>
> >>> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
> >>> It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
> >>> remember.
>
> >>> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
> >>> *have* any!
>
> >> Yes you do.
>
> > Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
> > don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>
> Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?

Harry K
Vandar
2007-12-10 16:14:06 UTC
Permalink
harry k wrote:

> On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>SeppoP wrote:
>>
>>>Vandar wrote:
>>
>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>
>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>
>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>
>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>>>matters
>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>>>>>become a Christian.
>>
>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>
>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>
>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>
>>>>>It makes you die.
>>
>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>
>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>remember.
>>
>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>*have* any!
>>
>>>>Yes you do.
>>
>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>
>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?

No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.
SeppoP
2007-12-10 16:31:47 UTC
Permalink
Vandar wrote:
> harry k wrote:
>
>> On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> SeppoP wrote:
>>>
>>>> Vandar wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Mirage wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>>>>>>>>> beliefs,
>>>>>>>>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> values upon others.
>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>
>>>>>>>> You fucking hypocrite.
>>>
>>>>>>> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>>>> matters
>>>>>>> of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince
>>>>>>> anyone to
>>>>>>> become a Christian.
>>>
>>>>>> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>>>> and die of asphyxiation.
>>>
>>>>>> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>
>>>>>> It's when you can't breathe.
>>>
>>>>>> It makes you die.
>>>
>>>>>> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>
>>>>>> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>> It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>> remember.
>>>
>>>>>> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>> *have* any!
>>>
>>>>> Yes you do.
>>>
>>>> Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>> don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>>
>>> Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>> Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>
> No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.
>

Like "not playing a piano is a hobby of "not playing a piano" , right? You *really* are a third rate moron, as I
*already* suspected. :) :) :)

Does it *really* take a religious "education" to reach such lofty levels of mindlessness?

--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
Vandar
2007-12-10 20:32:15 UTC
Permalink
SeppoP wrote:

> Vandar wrote:
>
>> harry k wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> SeppoP wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Vandar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Mirage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>>>>>>>>>> beliefs,
>>>>>>>>>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> values upon others.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You fucking hypocrite.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but
>>>>>>>> only in
>>>>>>>> matters
>>>>>>>> of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince
>>>>>>>> anyone to
>>>>>>>> become a Christian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something
>>>>>>> silly
>>>>>>> and die of asphyxiation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> It's when you can't breathe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> It makes you die.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>>> It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>>> remember.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>> *have* any!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes you do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>>> don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>>
>>
>> No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.
>>
>
> Like "not playing a piano is a hobby of "not playing a piano" , right?

Is that how your brain interpreted what you read?

> You *really* are a third rate moron, as I *already* suspected. :) :) :)
>
> Does it *really* take a religious "education" to reach such lofty levels
> of mindlessness?

I'm not religious, Einstein.

Whoops! There goes 99% of your reason for disagreeing with me.
Gwyneð Bennetdottir
2007-12-10 18:41:27 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 5:14 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> harry k wrote:
> > On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>SeppoP wrote:
>
> >>>Vandar wrote:
>
> >>>>Mirage wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
> >>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>
> >>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
> >>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
> >>>>>>>>their
> >>>>>>>>values upon others.
>
> >>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>
> >>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>
> >>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
> >>>>>>matters
> >>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
> >>>>>>become a Christian.
>
> >>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
> >>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>
> >>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>
> >>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>
> >>>>>It makes you die.
>
> >>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>
> >>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
> >>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
> >>>>>remember.
>
> >>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
> >>>>>*have* any!
>
> >>>>Yes you do.
>
> >>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
> >>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>
> >>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>
> No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It's not a belief - it's an absence of a belief.
Vandar
2007-12-10 20:35:39 UTC
Permalink
Gwyneð Bennetdottir wrote:

> On Dec 10, 5:14 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>harry k wrote:
>>
>>>On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>
>>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>
>>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>
>>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>
>>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>>>>>matters
>>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>>>>>>>become a Christian.
>>
>>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>
>>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>
>>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>
>>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>
>>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>
>>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>>>remember.
>>
>>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>>*have* any!
>>
>>>>>>Yes you do.
>>
>>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>
>>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>>
>>No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> It's not a belief - it's an absence of a belief.

That's what they like to tell you, for fear of being called religious,
but it's not true. Atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist. If
anything, it is a disbelief, not a lack of belief. It is a lack of
belief IN a deity, but not a lack of belief.
Andre Lieven
2007-12-10 20:40:53 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 3:35 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> idiotised:
> Gwyneð Bennetdottir wrote:
> > On Dec 10, 5:14 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>harry k wrote:
>
> >>>On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>SeppoP wrote:
>
> >>>>>Vandar wrote:
>
> >>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>
> >>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
> >>>>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
> >>>>>>>>>>their
> >>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>
> >>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>
> >>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>
> >>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
> >>>>>>>>matters
> >>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
> >>>>>>>>become a Christian.
>
> >>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
> >>>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>
> >>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>
> >>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>
> >>>>>>>It makes you die.
>
> >>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>
> >>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
> >>>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
> >>>>>>>remember.
>
> >>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
> >>>>>>>*have* any!
>
> >>>>>>Yes you do.
>
> >>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
> >>>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>
> >>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>- Show quoted text -
>
> >>>Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>
> >>No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > It's not a belief - it's an absence of a belief.
>
> That's what they like to tell you, for fear of being called religious,
> but it's not true.

Actually, it is. Any lunatic religious whackjobs like you have AbZero
standing to tell atheists, or anyone else, what we actually do and
don't believe.

> Atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.

No, its the DISbelief in the existance of any deities.

> If anything, it is a disbelief, not a lack of belief. It is a lack of
> belief IN a deity, but not a lack of belief.

So, you claim that one MUST either believe or not believe in any
given thing ? You see no place for actual neutral views ? No wonder
you're a cracked loon...

And, the next time that you take that ESL class... PASS it.

Andre
Vandar
2007-12-10 21:00:02 UTC
Permalink
Andre Lieven wrote:

> On Dec 10, 3:35 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> idiotised:
>
>>Gwyneð Bennetdottir wrote:
>>
>>>On Dec 10, 5:14 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>harry k wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>>>>>>>matters
>>>>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>>>>>>>>>become a Christian.
>>
>>>>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>>>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>
>>>>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>
>>>>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>
>>>>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>
>>>>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>
>>>>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>>>>>remember.
>>
>>>>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>>>>*have* any!
>>
>>>>>>>>Yes you do.
>>
>>>>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>>>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>
>>>>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>>
>>>>No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>It's not a belief - it's an absence of a belief.
>>
>>That's what they like to tell you, for fear of being called religious,
>>but it's not true.
>
>
> Actually, it is. Any lunatic religious whackjobs like you have AbZero
> standing to tell atheists, or anyone else, what we actually do and
> don't believe.
>
>
>>Atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.
>
>
> No, its the DISbelief in the existance of any deities.

Do you believe no god(s) exist?

Disbelief is a belief that something is not true.

>>If anything, it is a disbelief, not a lack of belief. It is a lack of
>>belief IN a deity, but not a lack of belief.
>
>
> So, you claim that one MUST either believe or not believe in any
> given thing ?

Is that what I wrote?

> You see no place for actual neutral views ? No wonder
> you're a cracked loon...

The loon is you, and the rest of the clowns who think that everyone who
disagrees with you is some religious nut and that belief in something is
all that's required to qualify as religion.
You actually fear admitting that you believe something simply because
you are ignorant of what constitutes religion.

> And, the next time that you take that ESL class... PASS it.

Atheism:
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism

Next retard.
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-10 22:12:25 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:00:02 +0000, Vandar wrote:

> Atheism:
> 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism

Then they're wrong aren't they?

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Oh Log Cabin, full of taste, my stomach is with thee.
Blessed are three among syrups..."

- Homer
Attila
2007-12-10 23:28:26 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:40:53 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven
<***@yahoo.ca> in alt.abortion with message-id
<db62d21c-aba8-497c-9665-***@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
wrote:

>On Dec 10, 3:35 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> idiotised:
>> Gwyneð Bennetdottir wrote:
>> > On Dec 10, 5:14 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>harry k wrote:
>>
>> >>>On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>> >>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>> >>>>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>> >>>>>>>>>>their
>> >>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>> >>>>>>>>matters
>> >>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>> >>>>>>>>become a Christian.
>>
>> >>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>> >>>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>
>> >>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>
>> >>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>
>> >>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>
>> >>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>
>> >>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>> >>>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>> >>>>>>>remember.
>>
>> >>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>> >>>>>>>*have* any!
>>
>> >>>>>>Yes you do.
>>
>> >>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>> >>>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>
>> >>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>> >>>Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>>
>> >>No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >>- Show quoted text -
>>
>> > It's not a belief - it's an absence of a belief.
>>
>> That's what they like to tell you, for fear of being called religious,
>> but it's not true.
>
>Actually, it is. Any lunatic religious whackjobs like you have AbZero
>standing to tell atheists, or anyone else, what we actually do and
>don't believe.
>
>> Atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.
>
>No, its the DISbelief in the existance of any deities.
>
>> If anything, it is a disbelief, not a lack of belief. It is a lack of
>> belief IN a deity, but not a lack of belief.
>
>So, you claim that one MUST either believe or not believe in any
>given thing ? You see no place for actual neutral views ? No wonder
>you're a cracked loon...

A certain mind set is unable to understand a lack of belief. A belief
in something, even a belief in nothing, is a necessity in their world.


>
>And, the next time that you take that ESL class... PASS it.
>
>Andre
>


--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-10 22:11:49 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:35:39 +0000, Vandar wrote:

> Gwyneð Bennetdottir wrote:
>
>> On Dec 10, 5:14 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>harry k wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>>>>>>>>>>>beliefs, they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one
>>>>>>>>>>>should invoke their
>>>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into
>>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only
>>>>>>>>>in matters
>>>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince
>>>>>>>>>anyone to become a Christian.
>>>
>>>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something
>>>>>>>>silly and die of asphyxiation.
>>>
>>>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>
>>>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>>
>>>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>
>>>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's
>>>>>>>>throats. It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too
>>>>>>>>fucked up to remember.
>>>
>>>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>>>*have* any!
>>>
>>>>>>>Yes you do.
>>>
>>>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So
>>>>>>you don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing"
>>>>>>piano.)
>>>
>>>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>>Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>>>
>>>No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide
>>>quoted text -
>>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>> It's not a belief - it's an absence of a belief.
>
> That's what they like to tell you, for fear of being called religious,
> but it's not true. Atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist. If
> anything, it is a disbelief, not a lack of belief. It is a lack of
> belief IN a deity, but not a lack of belief.

They?

Skippy, maybe you should check your headers.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who
understand binary and those who don't...
John Baker
2007-12-10 22:28:45 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:35:39 GMT, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Gwyneð Bennetdottir wrote:
>
>> On Dec 10, 5:14 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>harry k wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>>>>>>matters
>>>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>>>>>>>>become a Christian.
>>>
>>>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>>
>>>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>
>>>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>>
>>>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>
>>>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>>>>remember.
>>>
>>>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>>>*have* any!
>>>
>>>>>>>Yes you do.
>>>
>>>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>>
>>>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>>Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>>>
>>>No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>> It's not a belief - it's an absence of a belief.
>
>That's what they like to tell you, for fear of being called religious,
>but it's not true. Atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist. If
>anything, it is a disbelief, not a lack of belief. It is a lack of
>belief IN a deity, but not a lack of belief.


What the fuck makes you think you know better than atheists what
atheism is, shit-for-brains?
Attila
2007-12-10 23:26:19 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:35:39 GMT, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <vqh7j.175$***@news02.roc.ny> wrote:

>Gwyneð Bennetdottir wrote:
>
>> On Dec 10, 5:14 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>harry k wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>>>>>>matters
>>>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>>>>>>>>become a Christian.
>>>
>>>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>>
>>>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>
>>>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>>
>>>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>
>>>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>>>>remember.
>>>
>>>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>>>*have* any!
>>>
>>>>>>>Yes you do.
>>>
>>>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>>
>>>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>>Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>>>
>>>No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>> It's not a belief - it's an absence of a belief.
>
>That's what they like to tell you, for fear of being called religious,
>but it's not true. Atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist. If
>anything, it is a disbelief, not a lack of belief. It is a lack of
>belief IN a deity, but not a lack of belief.

Only if not collecting stamps is a hobby.

--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
Kate
2007-12-10 20:42:02 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:14:06 GMT, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

>harry k wrote:
>
>> On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>>
>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>>
>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>
>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>
>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>>>>matters
>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>>>>>>become a Christian.
>>>
>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>>
>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>
>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>>
>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>>
>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>
>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>>remember.
>>>
>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>*have* any!
>>>
>>>>>Yes you do.
>>>
>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>>
>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>> Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>
>No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.

Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. You don't have to believe that
no gods exist to be an atheist.
Vandar
2007-12-10 21:02:50 UTC
Permalink
Kate wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:14:06 GMT, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>harry k wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>>>>>matters
>>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>>>>>>>become a Christian.
>>>>
>>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>>>
>>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>>
>>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>>>
>>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>>
>>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>>>remember.
>>>>
>>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>>*have* any!
>>>>
>>>>>>Yes you do.
>>>>
>>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>>>
>>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>>
>>No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.
>
>
> Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. You don't have to believe that
> no gods exist to be an atheist.

Yes you do. Atheism is the belief that gods do not exist, not that they
exist but you choose not to recognize them as such.
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-10 22:14:49 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:02:50 +0000, Vandar wrote:

> Kate wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:14:06 GMT, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>harry k wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>>>>>>>>>>>beliefs, they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one
>>>>>>>>>>>should invoke their
>>>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into
>>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only
>>>>>>>>>in matters
>>>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince
>>>>>>>>>anyone to become a Christian.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something
>>>>>>>>silly and die of asphyxiation.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's
>>>>>>>>throats. It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too
>>>>>>>>fucked up to remember.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>>>*have* any!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes you do.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So
>>>>>>you don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing"
>>>>>>piano.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>>>
>>>No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.
>>
>>
>> Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. You don't have to believe that
>> no gods exist to be an atheist.
>
> Yes you do. Atheism is the belief that gods do not exist, not that they
> exist but you choose not to recognize them as such.

Other than you being wrong about what we think, you'd have a point.

Now, two can play this game. You keep claiming you're not religious. I
say you are. Therefore, because I have defined you as such, you are and
nothing you say can change that. Why? Because, clearly, I know your
beliefs better than you do.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“I believe in only one thing: liberty; but I do not
believe in liberty enough to want to force it upon anyone.”

- H. L. Mencken
thomas p.
2007-12-11 08:30:43 UTC
Permalink
"Vandar" <***@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:_Ph7j.177$***@news02.roc.ny...
> Kate wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:14:06 GMT, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>harry k wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>>>>>>>>>>>beliefs,
>>>>>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>matters
>>>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>become a Christian.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something
>>>>>>>>silly
>>>>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>>>>remember.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>>>*have* any!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes you do.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>>>
>>>No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.
>>
>>
>> Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. You don't have to believe that
>> no gods exist to be an atheist.
>
> Yes you do. Atheism is the belief that gods do not exist, not that they
> exist but you choose not to recognize them as such.
>

The people in this group are atheists. Most of them do not claim that there
is no god; they merely lack a belief in any god. You can insist that
atheism is a belief all you want, but those of us who merely lack a belief
in any deity will still exist, and we will still be atheists. Have a nice
day playing in your sandbox.
Bob Officer
2007-12-10 21:56:07 UTC
Permalink
On 10 Dec 2007 14:42:02 -0600, in alt.abortion, ***@newscene.com
(Kate ) wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:14:06 GMT, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>harry k wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>>>>>matters
>>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>>>>>>>become a Christian.
>>>>
>>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>>>
>>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>>
>>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>>>
>>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>>
>>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>>>remember.
>>>>
>>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>>*have* any!
>>>>
>>>>>>Yes you do.
>>>>
>>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>>>
>>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>>
>>No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.
>
>Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. You don't have to believe that
>no gods exist to be an atheist.

if God = equals the purple unicorn.
lack of gods doesn't equal atheism
no more than lack of the purple unicorn = atheism




--
Ak'toh'di
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-10 22:11:19 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:14:06 +0000, Vandar wrote:

> harry k wrote:
>
>> On Dec 10, 7:24 am, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>>
>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>>>>>>>>>beliefs, they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one
>>>>>>>>>should invoke their
>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>>
>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>
>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>
>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only
>>>>>>>in matters
>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone
>>>>>>>to become a Christian.
>>>
>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something
>>>>>>silly and die of asphyxiation.
>>>
>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>
>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>>
>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>>
>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>
>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>>remember.
>>>
>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>*have* any!
>>>
>>>>>Yes you do.
>>>
>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>>
>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>> Are you trying to claim that non-belief is a religion?
>
> No. I'm saying that atheism is the belief that no god(s) exist.

And yet, here I sit, with no such belief.

Weird that.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and
glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach
their heart's desire at last, and the White House will
be adorned by a downright moron.”

- H. L. Mencken
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-10 17:32:19 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:24:59 +0000, Vandar wrote:

> SeppoP wrote:
>
>> Vandar wrote:
>>
>>> Mirage wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>>>>>>> beliefs, they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should
>>>>>>> invoke their
>>>>>>> values upon others.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You fucking hypocrite.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>> matters
>>>>> of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone
>>>>> to become a Christian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>> and die of asphyxiation.
>>>>
>>>> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>>
>>>> It's when you can't breathe.
>>>>
>>>> It makes you die.
>>>>
>>>> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>>
>>>> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>> It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>> remember.
>>>>
>>>> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>> *have* any!
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes you do.
>>>
>>>
>> Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>> don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>
> Belief that no god(s) exist.

What belief?

No, atheism is this. The theist says, "God exists!". The atheist replies,
"I don't believe you."

And it's this that upsets theists. The part about not believing *them*.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Arrogance has to be earned. Tell me what you've done to earn yours."

- Dr. House
Vandar
2007-12-10 20:43:05 UTC
Permalink
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:24:59 +0000, Vandar wrote:
>
>
>>SeppoP wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Vandar wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>>>>>>>>beliefs, they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should
>>>>>>>>invoke their
>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>>>matters
>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone
>>>>>>to become a Christian.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>>>>
>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>>>>
>>>>>It makes you die.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>remember.
>>>>>
>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>*have* any!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes you do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>
>>Belief that no god(s) exist.
>
>
> What belief?
>
> No, atheism is this. The theist says, "God exists!". The atheist replies,
> "I don't believe you."

The atheist replies "No he doesn't", which is an equally unprovable
absolute - a belief that a god does not exist.

Is atheism a belief? Yes.
Is it a religion? No.

> And it's this that upsets theists. The part about not believing *them*.

Most people who believe strongly in something take offense when faced
with others who either don't support or contradict their beliefs.

I'm non-religious, believe in no deities of any kind, but am not an
atheist. That tends to befuddle both atheists and the religious.

Agnostic would be closer to accurate in my case. I don't know if there
are any gods and I really don't care. It's unprovable, so it's a waste
of time.
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-10 22:10:34 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:43:05 +0000, Vandar wrote:

> Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:24:59 +0000, Vandar wrote:
>>
>>
>>>SeppoP wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Vandar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>>>>>>>>>beliefs, they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one
>>>>>>>>>should invoke their
>>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only
>>>>>>>in matters
>>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone
>>>>>>>to become a Christian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something
>>>>>>silly and die of asphyxiation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It makes you die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>>remember.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>>*have* any!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes you do.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>>
>>>Belief that no god(s) exist.
>>
>>
>> What belief?
>>
>> No, atheism is this. The theist says, "God exists!". The atheist
>> replies, "I don't believe you."
>
> The atheist replies "No he doesn't", which is an equally unprovable
> absolute - a belief that a god does not exist.

And yet I'm an atheist and I reply, "I don't believe you." In fact, "No
he doesn't" is just another way of saying, "I don't believe you."

> Is atheism a belief? Yes.

And yet, it's not. Weird that.

> Is it a religion? No.
>
>> And it's this that upsets theists. The part about not believing *them*.
>
> Most people who believe strongly in something take offense when faced
> with others who either don't support or contradict their beliefs.
>
> I'm non-religious, believe in no deities of any kind, but am not an
> atheist. That tends to befuddle both atheists and the religious.
>
> Agnostic would be closer to accurate in my case. I don't know if there
> are any gods and I really don't care. It's unprovable, so it's a waste
> of time.

Agnosticism is far *more* aggressive than atheism. You should learn what
the term actually means.


--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The most dangerous man to any government is the
man who is able to think things out... without regard
to the prevailing superstitions and taboos.
Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the
government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.”

- H. L. Mencken
Robibnikoff
2007-12-10 23:25:45 UTC
Permalink
"Vandar" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in snip
>
> The atheist replies "No he doesn't", which is an equally unprovable
> absolute - a belief that a god does not exist.

Which atheist does this?
>
> Is atheism a belief? Yes.'

Wrong.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Bob Officer
2007-12-10 21:59:14 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:32:19 -0600, in alt.abortion, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<***@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:24:59 +0000, Vandar wrote:
>
>> SeppoP wrote:
>>
>>> Vandar wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mirage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>>>>>>>> beliefs, they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should
>>>>>>>> invoke their
>>>>>>>> values upon others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You fucking hypocrite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>>> matters
>>>>>> of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone
>>>>>> to become a Christian.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>>> and die of asphyxiation.
>>>>>
>>>>> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's when you can't breathe.
>>>>>
>>>>> It makes you die.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>> It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>> remember.
>>>>>
>>>>> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>> *have* any!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes you do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>> don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>
>> Belief that no god(s) exist.
>
>What belief?
>
>No, atheism is this. The theist says, "God exists!". The atheist replies,
>"I don't believe you."
>
>And it's this that upsets theists. The part about not believing *them*.

Hey Mark...

I am a Rockist

This rock exists, I hand you a rock of your own.

Now you can be a rock believer or arockist

No theist can do that.


--
Ak'toh'di
harry k
2007-12-11 04:12:59 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 9:32 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:24:59 +0000, Vandar wrote:
> > SeppoP wrote:
>
> >> Vandar wrote:
>
> >>> Mirage wrote:
>
> >>>> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
> >>>>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>
> >>>>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
> >>>>>>> beliefs, they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should
> >>>>>>> invoke their
> >>>>>>> values upon others.
>
> >>>>>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>
> >>>>>> You fucking hypocrite.
>
> >>>>> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
> >>>>> matters
> >>>>> of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone
> >>>>> to become a Christian.
>
> >>>> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
> >>>> and die of asphyxiation.
>
> >>>> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>
> >>>> It's when you can't breathe.
>
> >>>> It makes you die.
>
> >>>> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>
> >>>> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
> >>>> It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
> >>>> remember.
>
> >>>> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
> >>>> *have* any!
>
> >>> Yes you do.
>
> >> Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
> >> don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>
> > Belief that no god(s) exist.
>
> What belief?
>
> No, atheism is this. The theist says, "God exists!". The atheist replies,
> "I don't believe you."
>
> And it's this that upsets theists. The part about not believing *them*.
>
> --
> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "Arrogance has to be earned. Tell me what you've done to earn yours."
>
> - Dr. House- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Then they go into the "atheism is a religion" song and dance. My
usual response is: "Then I have a lot of religions as as I don't
believe in Santa Clause, the toothfairy, the Easter Bunny, Ghosts....
stop me when you realize how rediculous your 'atheism is religion'
claim is"

Harry K
Gwyneð Bennetdottir
2007-12-10 18:40:51 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 4:24 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> SeppoP wrote:
> > Vandar wrote:
>
> >> Mirage wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
> >>>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>
> >>>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>
> >>>>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
> >>>>>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
> >>>>>> their
> >>>>>> values upon others.
>
> >>>>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>
> >>>>> You fucking hypocrite.
>
> >>>> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
> >>>> matters
> >>>> of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
> >>>> become a Christian.
>
> >>> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
> >>> and die of asphyxiation.
>
> >>> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>
> >>> It's when you can't breathe.
>
> >>> It makes you die.
>
> >>> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>
> >>> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
> >>> It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
> >>> remember.
>
> >>> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
> >>> *have* any!
>
> >> Yes you do.
>
> > Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
> > don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>
> Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Nobody has proven the existence of any deity(ies).
Vandar
2007-12-10 20:46:57 UTC
Permalink
Gwyneð Bennetdottir wrote:

> On Dec 10, 4:24 pm, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>SeppoP wrote:
>>
>>>Vandar wrote:
>>
>>>>Mirage wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>>>messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>values upon others.
>>
>>>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>
>>>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>
>>>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>>>>>>matters
>>>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>>>>>become a Christian.
>>
>>>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>
>>>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>
>>>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>
>>>>>It makes you die.
>>
>>>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>
>>>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>>>remember.
>>
>>>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>>>*have* any!
>>
>>>>Yes you do.
>>
>>>Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>>>don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>>
>>Belief that no god(s) exist.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Nobody has proven the existence of any deity(ies).

That depends on how you define deity. If you mean a supernatural being,
then you are right.
There are religions out there whose beliefs and rituals are firmly
rooted in the physical world though - worship of nature, trees, cows,
the individual, etc.
Doc Smartass
2007-12-11 00:11:56 UTC
Permalink
Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:fTc7j.159$***@news02.roc.ny:

> SeppoP wrote:
>
>> Vandar wrote:
>>
>>> Mirage wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>>>>>>> beliefs, they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one
>>>>>>> should invoke their
>>>>>>> values upon others.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into
>>>>>> alt.atheism.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You fucking hypocrite.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only
>>>>> in matters
>>>>> of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince
>>>>> anyone to become a Christian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something
>>>> silly and die of asphyxiation.
>>>>
>>>> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>>
>>>> It's when you can't breathe.
>>>>
>>>> It makes you die.
>>>>
>>>> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>>
>>>> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's
>>>> throats. It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too
>>>> fucked up to remember.
>>>>
>>>> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>> *have* any!
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes you do.
>>>
>>
>> Cute. Such as? (Don't come with the typical religious freaks' "So you
>> don't play paino? It means that your hobby is "not playing" piano.)
>
> Belief that no god(s) exist.
>

*snort* Word games don't make you right, son.

--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.

--Edward R. Murrow
John Baker
2007-12-10 16:29:26 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:33:47 GMT, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Mirage wrote:
>
>> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
>>>>>values upon others.
>>>
>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>
>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>
>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in matters
>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>>become a Christian.
>>
>>
>> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>> and die of asphyxiation.
>>
>> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>
>> It's when you can't breathe.
>>
>> It makes you die.
>>
>> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>
>> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>> It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>> remember.
>>
>> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>> *have* any!
>
>Yes you do.


Well, it's true that I believe religious people are idiots and
lunatics.
Vandar
2007-12-10 20:47:29 UTC
Permalink
John Baker wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:33:47 GMT, Vandar <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Mirage wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>>>>they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
>>>>>>values upon others.
>>>>
>>>>>And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>>
>>>>>You fucking hypocrite.
>>>>
>>>>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in matters
>>>>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>>>>become a Christian.
>>>
>>>
>>>You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
>>>and die of asphyxiation.
>>>
>>>That means "suffocating", little boy.
>>>
>>>It's when you can't breathe.
>>>
>>>It makes you die.
>>>
>>>Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>>>
>>>"Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
>>>It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
>>>remember.
>>>
>>>We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
>>>*have* any!
>>
>>Yes you do.
>
>
>
> Well, it's true that I believe religious people are idiots and
> lunatics.

Good for you. Thank you for your contribution.
Doc Smartass
2007-12-11 00:10:46 UTC
Permalink
Mirage <***@gmail.com> wrote in
news:d5473396-176e-46e4-9511-***@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 9, 9:34 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>
>> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>
>> >> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>> >> beliefs, they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should
>> >> invoke their values upon others.
>>
>> > And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>
>> > You fucking hypocrite.
>>
>> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>> matters of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince
>> anyone to become a Christian.
>
> You are a fucking worthless windbag. May you choke on something silly
> and die of asphyxiation.
>
> That means "suffocating", little boy.
>
> It's when you can't breathe.
>
> It makes you die.
>
> Jeez, insulting morons is hard.
>
> "Imagine no religion." is not forcing atheism down people's throats.
> It's a line from a John Lennon song you're probably too fucked up to
> remember.
>
> We can't force our beliefs down others' throats, anyway, we don't
> *have* any!

I believe you're right. ;)

--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.

--Edward R. Murrow
p***@gmail.com
2007-12-10 06:46:02 UTC
Permalink
On 10 déc, 06:34, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>
> >> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
> >> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
> >> values upon others.
>
> > And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>
> > You fucking hypocrite.
>
> That's a lie.

Oh... The "I am outraged" rant...

I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in matters
> of moral issues.

Which, interestingly, you still know nothing about.
When has your German wearing dress supported intolerance? racism?


I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
> become a Christian.

Not per se, but you imply that anyone who isn't christian is immoral...
The Chief Instigator
2007-12-10 06:50:58 UTC
Permalink
"J Young" <***@aol.com> writes:

>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>news:***@giganews.com...
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:

>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
>>> values upon others.

>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.

>> You fucking hypocrite.

>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in matters
>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>become a Christian.

You *have* convinced quite a few people that not being a hypocritical
attention whore calling itself "J Young" is indeed a good thing to be.

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (***@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Manitoba 3 (December 8)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, December 12 at Hartford, 6:05
Attila
2007-12-10 12:07:04 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:34:24 -0500, "J Young" <***@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <***@news.alt.net> wrote:

>
>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>news:***@giganews.com...
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>
>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
>>> values upon others.
>>
>>
>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>
>> You fucking hypocrite.
>>
>>
>
>
>That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in matters
>of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
>become a Christian.
>

Are you aware most of the world could not care less what he has to say
about anything?

--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
Gwyneð Bennetdottir
2007-12-10 12:29:22 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 6:34 am, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>
> >> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
> >> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
> >> values upon others.
>
> > And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>
> > You fucking hypocrite.
>
> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in matters
> of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince anyone to
> become a Christian.

So why don't you confine your perversions to the religious groups in
which your immoral screeds belong? Why even trash the irrelevant
groups, if you're not interested in annoying anybody?
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-10 15:01:59 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:34:24 -0500, J Young wrote:

> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
> news:***@giganews.com...
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>
>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
>>> values upon others.
>>
>>
>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>
>> You fucking hypocrite.
>>
>>
>>
>
> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
> matters of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince
> anyone to become a Christian.

You lie. You shove religious crap into this newsgroup by the tons.

You are a hypocrite.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
Nine out of ten priests who have tried Camels, prefer young boys.
Doc Smartass
2007-12-11 00:09:31 UTC
Permalink
"J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote in
news:***@news.alt.net:

>
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
> news:***@giganews.com...
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>
>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist
>>> beliefs, they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should
>>> invoke their values upon others.
>>
>>
>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>
>> You fucking hypocrite.
>>
>>
>
>
> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
> matters of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince
> anyone to become a Christian.

My dear altar boy, there's no way you'd make anyone _want_ to be one.

--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.

--Edward R. Murrow
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-11 02:11:29 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:09:31 +0000, Doc Smartass wrote:

> "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote in
> news:***@news.alt.net:
>
>
>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>> news:***@giganews.com...
>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>>>> their values upon others.
>>>
>>>
>>> And yet here you are shoving your religious crap into alt.atheism.
>>>
>>> You fucking hypocrite.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's a lie. I do quote His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, but only in
>> matters of moral issues. I have *never* tried to convert or convince
>> anyone to become a Christian.
>
> My dear altar boy, there's no way you'd make anyone _want_ to be one.

In fact, we should stop complaining. J Young is one *hell* of a poster
child for atheism...

("This is your brain on religion. Any questions?")

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who
understand binary and those who don't...
thomas p.
2007-12-11 08:37:05 UTC
Permalink
"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> skrev i en meddelelse
news:***@giganews.com...
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:09:31 +0000, Doc Smartass wrote:
>
>> "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote in
>> news:***@news.alt.net:
snip

>>
>> My dear altar boy, there's no way you'd make anyone _want_ to be one.
>
> In fact, we should stop complaining. J Young is one *hell* of a poster
> child for atheism...

Gosh, I thought he was.

>
> ("This is your brain on religion. Any questions?")
>
> --
> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who
> understand binary and those who don't...
p***@gmail.com
2007-12-10 05:22:20 UTC
Permalink
On 10 Dez., 06:07, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> upon others.

Ever heard of the beam and the mote parable, nazi turd?

>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59111HOLIDAY
> BLUES

Wanna be taken seriously? Use serious sources, nazi turd.
Denis Loubet
2007-12-10 05:39:41 UTC
Permalink
"J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:***@news.alt.net...
> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> upon others.

Ok, I call LOKI!


--
Denis Loubet
***@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-10 15:23:42 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:39:41 -0600, Denis Loubet wrote:

> "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:***@news.alt.net...
>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
>> values upon others.
>
> Ok, I call LOKI!

I don't agree. I think he's that nuts.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The time must come inevitably when mankind shall
surmount the imbecility of religion, as it has surmounted
the imbecility of religion's ally, magic. It is impossible
to imagine this world being really civilized so long as
so much nonsense survives.”

- H. L. Mencken
Frank Mayhar
2007-12-10 06:31:34 UTC
Permalink
This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold theist beliefs,
they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
values upon others.

(In other words, shut the fuck up, bigot.)
--
Frank Mayhar ***@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar*
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-10 15:24:28 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:31:34 -0800, Frank Mayhar wrote:

> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold theist beliefs,
> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
> values upon others.
>
> (In other words, shut the fuck up, bigot.)

He says he's never pushed his beliefs on us.

In his psychotic world, this may make sense. Out here in reality
however...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“I confess I enjoy democracy immensely.
It is incomparably idiotic, and hence incomparably amusing.”

- H. L. Mencken
les_on_usenet
2007-12-10 08:40:30 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, "J Young" <***@aol.com>
wrote:

>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold religious beliefs, they
>should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
>upon others.

I have corrected the slight error for you.


Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Greywolf
2007-12-10 08:41:29 UTC
Permalink
"J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:***@news.alt.net...
> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> upon others.
>
>
Now tell us that insisting that prayer in public school form part of the
public school curriculum or the introduction of religious symbols into
Federal courts is not just two examples of religious people attempting to
impose their 'values' upon others.

And I hasten to add that the 'values' are not to be rejected as inherently
valueless or devoid of positive attributes. But they *are* 'religious'
objects! And we have an absolute *wealth* of information and a long history
which teaches us just how dangerous and even *lethal* at times the seemingly
'harmless' imposition of 'religious values' on a state or country can
become.

Let's face it. Religious zealots are hell-bent on turning this country into
a theocracy and they don't give a damn how they achieve their treasonous
goal. It's up to real American patriots and Christians who demand we keep
church and state separate to insure true religious liberty to see that the
zealots don't get their way. When a religious group has to lie, deceive, and
even violate some of the most 'sacred' tenets of their very religion to
achieve such a goal, of what 'worth' is that religion after that?

Greywolf
Syd M.
2007-12-10 08:56:14 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 12:07 am, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> should learn to keep it to themselves.

Oh, the irony!!
Hey, Young, maybe you should try heeding your own advise.

No one should invoke their values
> upon others.
>
That's right. Including you.

> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59111HOLIDAY
> BLUES
>
> 'Imagine no religion,' says atheists' display
>
John Lennon, 1970.

PDW
Daniel Kolle
2007-12-10 09:04:05 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, "J Young" <***@aol.com>
wrote:

>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
>should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
>upon others.

...My jaw dropped. Can someone help me pick it up?

<snip>
SeppoP
2007-12-10 09:08:02 UTC
Permalink
J Young wrote:
> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> upon others.

You religious freaks *never* cease to amaze me with your *astronomical* stupidity...

--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
Nosterill
2007-12-10 10:04:05 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 5:07 am, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> upon others.
>

For once, I agree with you absolutely. The outrageous attempts by
Christians, particularly Roman Catholics, to impose their values on
everyone are absolutely disgraceful. The same applies to all other
belief systems.
Attila
2007-12-10 12:06:16 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, "J Young" <***@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <***@news.alt.net> wrote:

>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
>should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
>upon others.


Does that also apply to those who are attempting to spread their
religion through public displays of religious symbols and religion
related activities?

If not, why?

--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
Gwyneð Bennetdottir
2007-12-10 12:26:49 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 6:07 am, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> upon others.

You're fully of irony, today, Pedophile.

Why don't you take that lead pipe out of your ass and beat yourself
with it.
Doc Smartass
2007-12-11 00:14:31 UTC
Permalink
"Gwyneð Bennetdottir" <***@gmail.com> wrote in
news:31ae6c39-f868-444d-8418-***@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 10, 6:07 am, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke
>> their values upon others.
>
> You're fully of irony, today, Pedophile.
>
> Why don't you take that lead pipe out of your ass and beat yourself
> with it.
>

"That's no lead pipe. That's a priest!" </Obi Wan Kenobi>

--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939

No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.

--Edward R. Murrow
John D. Wentzky
2007-12-10 13:15:50 UTC
Permalink
"J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:***@news.alt.net...
> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> upon others.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59111 HOLIDAY
> BLUES
>
>
>
> 'Imagine no religion,' says atheists' display

Hmm. Seems like a propagandist message for state employees.
Commies don't like religion, huh?

> Residents irked by city-approved sign in public park blaming faith for
> 9/11
> Posted: December 9, 2007
> 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Yeah.
That's all governments do when they are bested by religion anyway.
I mean war is war, you know?
The governments fight wars, so why would they thin that religious persons
would be excluded from participating in any war activity?
The second amendment was written to provide defensive security to the people
in defiance of militaristic tax funded governments.

> © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
>
> Connecticut atheists, taking advantage of a town's policy of allowing
> holiday-season displays in its public park, have erected a 10-foot tall
> sign in celebration of the winter solstice that includes a message blaming
> the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, on religious believers.

Yeah.
They thought they could stain all religions by citing one act of islamic
destruction.
One wonders if these atheists are peaceful people or if they are involved in
warring against the peaceful agenda of religion itself.
One also wonders why there is a need to support killing in utero persons if
anyone is against acts of violence that cause harm to others.
One wonders why people such as Humphrey, Sebree and other state control
advocates tend to defend those who have committed crimes of violence and why
they resist the Constitution's verbatim meaning.
One also wonder how those who are ignorant of statute itself, as
demonstrated by their transgressions of it, are qualified in any way to
dictate their opinionated version of what should be, especially when it is
so easily determined that they have departed from the laws that require them
to behave in society.
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-10 15:25:42 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:15:50 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:

> The second amendment was written to provide defensive security to the
> people in defiance of militaristic tax funded governments.

Now, remember, after you get out of jail, you won't be allowed to have a
gun. Felons aren't...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who
understand binary and those who don't...
John D. Wentzky
2007-12-10 16:50:59 UTC
Permalink
"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:***@giganews.com...
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:15:50 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:
>
>> The second amendment was written to provide defensive security to the
>> people in defiance of militaristic tax funded governments.
>
> Now, remember, after you get out of jail, you won't be allowed to have a
> gun. Felons aren't...

Do what?
You failed to notice that I don't carry guns in public and that I was
assaulted by someone who does carry weapons and was carrying weapons in
public.
Do you think you could start to act smarter?
Pr0r3p
2007-12-10 16:53:50 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 11:50 am, "John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com>
wrote:
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:15:50 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:
>
> >> The second amendment was written to provide defensive security to the
> >> people in defiance of militaristic tax funded governments.
>
> > Now, remember, after you get out of jail, you won't be allowed to have a
> > gun. Felons aren't...
>
> Do what?

Reading comprehension got you down.

> You failed to notice that I don't carry guns in public

He didn't say you did.

> and that I was
> assaulted by someone who does carry weapons and was carrying weapons in
> public.

We've seen no evidence supporting this claim.

> Do you think you could start to act smarter?

LOL!!! Ohhh, the irony...
John D. Wentzky
2007-12-11 03:52:32 UTC
Permalink
"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:***@giganews.com...
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:53:50 -0800, Pr0r3p wrote:
>
>> On Dec 10, 11:50 am, "John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> wrote:
>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:15:50 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:
>>>
>>> >> The second amendment was written to provide defensive security to
>>> >> the people in defiance of militaristic tax funded governments.
>>>
>>> > Now, remember, after you get out of jail, you won't be allowed to
>>> > have a gun. Felons aren't...
>>>
>>> Do what?
>>
>> Reading comprehension got you down.
>>
>>> You failed to notice that I don't carry guns in public
>>
>> He didn't say you did.
>
> And one follows from the other. You can't get a CHL after a felony
> conviction...

What is a CHL?
The Chief Instigator
2007-12-11 06:07:15 UTC
Permalink
"John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> writes:

>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>news:***@giganews.com...
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:53:50 -0800, Pr0r3p wrote:

>>> On Dec 10, 11:50 am, "John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
>>>> messagenews:***@giganews.com...

>>>> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:15:50 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:

>>>> >> The second amendment was written to provide defensive security to
>>>> >> the people in defiance of militaristic tax funded governments.

>>>> > Now, remember, after you get out of jail, you won't be allowed to
>>>> > have a gun. Felons aren't...

>>>> Do what?

>>> Reading comprehension got you down.

>>>> You failed to notice that I don't carry guns in public

>>> He didn't say you did.

>> And one follows from the other. You can't get a CHL after a felony
>> conviction...

>What is a CHL?

Maybe a concealed handgun license? (We've got those permits in Texas, and
you wouldn't be allowed one, with your criminal record.)

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (***@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Manitoba 3 (December 8)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, December 12 at Hartford, 6:05
Mark K. Bilbo
2007-12-10 22:23:37 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:50:59 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:

> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
> news:***@giganews.com...
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:15:50 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:
>>
>>> The second amendment was written to provide defensive security to the
>>> people in defiance of militaristic tax funded governments.
>>
>> Now, remember, after you get out of jail, you won't be allowed to have
>> a gun. Felons aren't...
>
> Do what?
> You failed to notice that I don't carry guns in public and that I was
> assaulted by someone who does carry weapons and was carrying weapons in
> public.
> Do you think you could start to act smarter?

I'm just saying. You should be aware that after you get out of jail,
you'll be barred from owning a weapon.

Just trying to help out...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
Explaining the unknown by means of the unobservable is always
a perilous business.
Virgil
2007-12-11 00:06:34 UTC
Permalink
In article <28e7j.35788$L%***@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
"John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> wrote:

> "Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
> news:***@giganews.com...
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:15:50 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:
> >
> >> The second amendment was written to provide defensive security to the
> >> people in defiance of militaristic tax funded governments.
> >
> > Now, remember, after you get out of jail, you won't be allowed to have a
> > gun. Felons aren't...
>
> Do what?

You may lose your vote as well, and no longer be able to vote in your
fundy friends.
The Chief Instigator
2007-12-11 01:08:28 UTC
Permalink
"John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> writes:

>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>news:***@giganews.com...
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:15:50 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:

>>> The second amendment was written to provide defensive security to the
>>> people in defiance of militaristic tax funded governments.

>> Now, remember, after you get out of jail, you won't be allowed to have a
>> gun. Felons aren't...

>Do what?

You don't know what to do, regularly.

>You failed to notice that I don't carry guns in public and that I was
>assaulted by someone who does carry weapons and was carrying weapons in
>public.

...and by your own responses to that incident, you assaulted an armed
policeman (who is armed as a part of his profession). Why should you force
him to complete your suicide?

>Do you think you could start to act smarter?

Do you think more than once a year?

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (***@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Manitoba 3 (December 8)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, December 12 at Hartford, 6:05
John D. Wentzky
2007-12-11 03:55:25 UTC
Permalink
"The Chief Instigator" <***@io.com> wrote in message
news:***@eris.io.com...
> "John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> writes:
>
>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>>news:***@giganews.com...
>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:15:50 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:
>
>>>> The second amendment was written to provide defensive security to the
>>>> people in defiance of militaristic tax funded governments.
>
>>> Now, remember, after you get out of jail, you won't be allowed to have a
>>> gun. Felons aren't...
>
>>Do what?
>
> You don't know what to do, regularly.

No proof seen.

>>You failed to notice that I don't carry guns in public and that I was
>>assaulted by someone who does carry weapons and was carrying weapons in
>>public.
>
> ...and by your own responses to that incident, you assaulted an armed
> policeman (who is armed as a part of his profession).

Not at all.
Never have any of my responses indicated that I assaulted any policeman in
any way that would violate any statute whatsoever.

> Why should you force
> him to complete your suicide?

Another threatening inneundo that asserts that cops are entitled to off
people they committed crimes against.
Serving the people via the law isn't in your code book, huh?
Virgil
2007-12-11 04:57:41 UTC
Permalink
In article <LSn7j.19678$***@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
"John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> wrote:

> > Why should you force
> > him to complete your suicide?
>
> Another threatening inneundo that asserts that cops are entitled to off
> people they committed crimes against.

Cops only are allowed to "off" those who pose immediate danger to the
police or to other civilians.

If JDW should himself pose such a danger, ....
The Chief Instigator
2007-12-11 06:11:53 UTC
Permalink
"John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> writes:

>"The Chief Instigator" <***@io.com> wrote in message
>news:***@eris.io.com...
>> "John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> writes:

>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
>>>news:***@giganews.com...
>>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:15:50 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:

>>>>> The second amendment was written to provide defensive security to the
>>>>> people in defiance of militaristic tax funded governments.

>>>> Now, remember, after you get out of jail, you won't be allowed to have a
>>>> gun. Felons aren't...

>>>Do what?

>> You don't know what to do, regularly.

>No proof seen.

The only proof you seem to pay attention to is about 102, judging from your
responses.

>>>You failed to notice that I don't carry guns in public and that I was
>>>assaulted by someone who does carry weapons and was carrying weapons in
>>>public.

>> ...and by your own responses to that incident, you assaulted an armed
>> policeman (who is armed as a part of his profession).

>Not at all.
>Never have any of my responses indicated that I assaulted any policeman in
>any way that would violate any statute whatsoever.

So, that was someone forging you who claimed to have slammed the attacking
officer to the ground...right?

>> Why should you force him to complete your suicide?

>Another threatening inneundo that asserts that cops are entitled to off
>people they committed crimes against.

If you're assaulting him and you put him in fear for his life, he'd likely
not be prosecuted for plugging you in self-defense.

>Serving the people via the law isn't in your code book, huh?

You would never comprehend the "code book" of normal law-abiding citizens.

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (***@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Manitoba 3 (December 8)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, December 12 at Hartford, 6:05
The Chief Instigator
2007-12-10 17:01:58 UTC
Permalink
"Mark K. Bilbo" <***@com.mkbilbo> writes:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:15:50 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:

>> The second amendment was written to provide defensive security to the
>> people in defiance of militaristic tax funded governments.

>Now, remember, after you get out of jail, you won't be allowed to have a
>gun. Felons aren't...

He won't be getting out of the state hospital he's talking himself into.

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (***@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Manitoba 3 (December 8)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, December 12 at Hartford, 6:05
Virgil
2007-12-11 00:04:57 UTC
Permalink
In article <l_a7j.19399$***@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
"John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> wrote:

> Yeah.
> That's all governments do when they are bested by religion anyway.
> I mean war is war, you know?
> The governments fight wars, so why would they thin that religious persons
> would be excluded from participating in any war activity?

Governments which like war encourage religion, as pie in the sky
justifies enlisting. Consider the fanatical muslims who want to die for
their religion. They are the Muslim mirror of Xtian fundies.
John D. Wentzky
2007-12-11 04:03:49 UTC
Permalink
"Virgil" <***@com.com> wrote in message
news:Virgil-***@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <l_a7j.19399$***@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> "John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah.
>> That's all governments do when they are bested by religion anyway.
>> I mean war is war, you know?
>> The governments fight wars, so why would they thin that religious persons
>> would be excluded from participating in any war activity?
>
> Governments which like war encourage religion,

How would that be true in the USA where freedom exercise of religion doesn't
generate tax dollars to support war involvements?

> as pie in the sky justifies enlisting.

Someone has to protect the nation from those who are against it.

> Consider the fanatical muslims who want to die for
> their religion.

Yeah.
Where do they get their money from?

> They are the Muslim mirror of Xtian fundies.

Fundamentalist values do not dictate war though, unless the matter is to
quell rebellion to the mandates of religion.
Virgil
2007-12-11 05:00:12 UTC
Permalink
In article <C_n7j.19682$***@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
"John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> wrote:

> "Virgil" <***@com.com> wrote in message
> news:Virgil-***@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <l_a7j.19399$***@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> > "John D. Wentzky" <***@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah.
> >> That's all governments do when they are bested by religion anyway.
> >> I mean war is war, you know?
> >> The governments fight wars, so why would they thin that religious persons
> >> would be excluded from participating in any war activity?
> >
> > Governments which like war encourage religion,
>
> How would that be true in the USA

It is true everywhere.
>
> > as pie in the sky justifies enlisting.
>
> Someone has to protect the nation from those who are against it.

That is always the cry of the warmongers,
>
> > Consider the fanatical muslims who want to die for
> > their religion.

>
> > They are the Muslim mirror of Xtian fundies.
>
> Fundamentalist values do not dictate war though

They certainly dictated Shrub's war on Iraq.
Ye Old One
2007-12-10 15:03:53 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, "J Young" <***@aol.com>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:

>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
>should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
>upon others.

And yet that is EXACTLY what christians try to do every single day.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59111 HOLIDAY
>BLUES
>
>
>
>'Imagine no religion,' says atheists' display
>
>
>
>Residents irked by city-approved sign in public park blaming faith for 9/11
>Posted: December 9, 2007
>1:00 a.m. Eastern
>
>
>
>
>© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
>
>Connecticut atheists, taking advantage of a town's policy of allowing
>holiday-season displays in its public park, have erected a 10-foot tall sign
>in celebration of the winter solstice that includes a message blaming the
>attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, on religious believers.

which is, after all, 100% true.
>
>The 3-sided sign was erected in the Town of Vernon's Central Park on Dec. 1
>by the Connecticut Valley Atheists. The two sides facing Main Street feature
>a pre-attack image of the Twin Towers with the sun shining between them and
>the message, "Imagine no religion," drawn from the John Lennon anthem,
>"Imagine."
>
>Use of the image is meant to say the Twin Towers would still be standing
>were it not for religion, CVA coordinator Dennis Himes told the Hartford
>Courant.
>
>The goal is to "simply emphasize an advantage of atheism, something good
>about atheism," Himes said. "Al-Qaida is not a terrorist organization that
>happens to be religious, it is a terrorist organization that is inspired by
>its religious beliefs."
>
>The third side of the sign faces town hall with a message about the winter
>solstice - the basis for the group being given a permit. It reads:
>
>"In late December the sun is lower and days are shorter than any time of
>year. Throughout the rest of winter the sun gets higher and the days get
>longer. Because of this people have celebrated the winter solstice from time
>immemorial.

Indeed, christians stole the christmas period.

> People used to believe that gods moved the sun across the sky.
>Today we know that there are no gods, and that the sun moves by natural
>causes, and we celebrate not only the movement of the sun but our ability to
>understand that movement."
>
>"We would prefer no displays promoting theological worldviews be displayed
>at all, but as long as they are we thank the Town of Vernon for permitting
>atheists equal access," the group says on its website.
>
>"The town marked off three spots in the park," Himes said. "The notice to
>groups said first come, first served, so we picked the one right in front of
>town hall. We fully expected the other displays to be up around the same
>time we put ours up."
>
>While the town issued permits to a local synagogue for a menorah display and
>to a group of churches that plan to place a creche in the park, the atheists
>were the first to erect their display - indeed, as of the weekend, theirs
>remained the only display except for a large Christmas tree Mayor Jason L.
>McCoy

Any relation to McClueless?

> had a town crew erect 10 feet from the atheists' sign.
>
>McCoy rejected suggestions placement of the tree is meant to obstruct views
>of the atheists' display. When told that it did, in fact, obstruct the view,
>McCoy responded to the Courant, "Oh, really - that's unfortunate."
>
>McCoy and other town officials have been fielding complaint calls for a week
>from residents angry at the group's suggestion their religion was
>responsible for 9/11.
>
>"People are not offended the atheists have something up there, and they're
>not offended by whatever they celebrate. What they're troubled by is they
>feel [their] religion is equated with being involved in terrorism," McCoy
>said.
>
>Officials also said the tone of the atheists' display appeared to be more
>political and not consistent with the description given on their permit
>application of a "triangular stand displaying information about the winter
>solstice, atheism and human light observance."
>
>Himes insists the town made the issue political when it decided to allow
>religious displays on public property.
>
>"The original question was whether Vernon would have a nativity scene on
>church property or town property," Himes said. "The difference between those
>two is a political difference."
>
>For generations, Vernon has displayed its circa-World War II creche in the
>park, but it was moved to St. Bernard Church last year after Hines
>complained, saying the town was violating the separation of church and
>state.
>
>Republican town committee members passed a unanimous resolution calling for
>the creche to be returned to its traditional location in the park in 2007. A
>new policy, crafted last August, grants equal space for any group wanting to
>set up traditional displays or symbolic messages during the month of
>December.
>
>Sandi LaChapelle, owner of Russ' Time Rock 'n' Roll Diner, told the Courant
>visitors to her business have been commenting on the photo of the sun
>streaming between the Twin Towers.
>
>"The sun forms a cross," she said.
>
>"That certainly wasn't intentional," Himes said.


I think it is time people grew up, put their childish religions behind
them and faced the real world.

--
Bob.
V
2007-12-10 15:35:54 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 12:07 am, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> upon others.
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59111HOLIDAY
> BLUES
>
> 'Imagine no religion,' says atheists' display
>
> Residents irked by city-approved sign in public park blaming faith for 9/11
> Posted: December 9, 2007
> 1:00 a.m. Eastern
>
> (c) 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
>
> Connecticut atheists, taking advantage of a town's policy of allowing
> holiday-season displays in its public park, have erected a 10-foot tall sign
> in celebration of the winter solstice that includes a message blaming the
> attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, on religious believers.
>
> The 3-sided sign was erected in the Town of Vernon's Central Park on Dec. 1
> by the Connecticut Valley Atheists. The two sides facing Main Street feature
> a pre-attack image of the Twin Towers with the sun shining between them and
> the message, "Imagine no religion," drawn from the John Lennon anthem,
> "Imagine."
>
> Use of the image is meant to say the Twin Towers would still be standing
> were it not for religion, CVA coordinator Dennis Himes told the Hartford
> Courant.
>
> The goal is to "simply emphasize an advantage of atheism, something good
> about atheism," Himes said. "Al-Qaida is not a terrorist organization that
> happens to be religious, it is a terrorist organization that is inspired by
> its religious beliefs."
>
> The third side of the sign faces town hall with a message about the winter
> solstice - the basis for the group being given a permit. It reads:
>
> "In late December the sun is lower and days are shorter than any time of
> year. Throughout the rest of winter the sun gets higher and the days get
> longer. Because of this people have celebrated the winter solstice from time
> immemorial. People used to believe that gods moved the sun across the sky.
> Today we know that there are no gods, and that the sun moves by natural
> causes, and we celebrate not only the movement of the sun but our ability to
> understand that movement."
>
> "We would prefer no displays promoting theological worldviews be displayed
> at all, but as long as they are we thank the Town of Vernon for permitting
> atheists equal access," the group says on its website.
>
> "The town marked off three spots in the park," Himes said. "The notice to
> groups said first come, first served, so we picked the one right in front of
> town hall. We fully expected the other displays to be up around the same
> time we put ours up."
>
> While the town issued permits to a local synagogue for a menorah display and
> to a group of churches that plan to place a creche in the park, the atheists
> were the first to erect their display - indeed, as of the weekend, theirs
> remained the only display except for a large Christmas tree Mayor Jason L.
> McCoy had a town crew erect 10 feet from the atheists' sign.
>
> McCoy rejected suggestions placement of the tree is meant to obstruct views
> of the atheists' display. When told that it did, in fact, obstruct the view,
> McCoy responded to the Courant, "Oh, really - that's unfortunate."
>
> McCoy and other town officials have been fielding complaint calls for a week
> from residents angry at the group's suggestion their religion was
> responsible for 9/11.
>
> "People are not offended the atheists have something up there, and they're
> not offended by whatever they celebrate. What they're troubled by is they
> feel [their] religion is equated with being involved in terrorism," McCoy
> said.
>
> Officials also said the tone of the atheists' display appeared to be more
> political and not consistent with the description given on their permit
> application of a "triangular stand displaying information about the winter
> solstice, atheism and human light observance."
>
> Himes insists the town made the issue political when it decided to allow
> religious displays on public property.
>
> "The original question was whether Vernon would have a nativity scene on
> church property or town property," Himes said. "The difference between those
> two is a political difference."
>
> For generations, Vernon has displayed its circa-World War II creche in the
> park, but it was moved to St. Bernard Church last year after Hines
> complained, saying the town was violating the separation of church and
> state.
>
> Republican town committee members passed a unanimous resolution calling for
> the creche to be returned to its traditional location in the park in 2007. A
> new policy, crafted last August, grants equal space for any group wanting to
> set up traditional displays or symbolic messages during the month of
> December.
>
> Sandi LaChapelle, owner of Russ' Time Rock 'n' Roll Diner, told the Courant
> visitors to her business have been commenting on the photo of the sun
> streaming between the Twin Towers.
>
> "The sun forms a cross," she said.
>
> "That certainly wasn't intentional," Himes said.
>
> --
> J Young
> ***@aol.com


















Atheists look at this topic with tunnel vision JY.

They like to fantasize what the world would be like if religion would
never have been invented.

The facts are this: when people are devoid of religion / spiritual
values...they generally stink as humans.

Sure Christians do bad things, so do all practitioners in other
religions. But many of these religious practitioners also do good
things.

You never see atheists taking up charitable works and feeding and
clothing the poor in any organized way as Christians do.

There may be the odd atheists philanthropists here or there, but
nothing organized like Christians charitable organizations.

I wrote to the president of American Atheists, UK Atheists, the
Secular Humanism Foundation, Sam Harris and others about this very
topic and none had the courtesy to reply.

Shows how much interest atheists really have in humanity.

No, I prefer to keep things as they are and keep religions, even with
all their imperfections.

I believe religions do more good than harm. I shudder to think what
the world would be like if it was composed solely of atheists.

The many countries that the US has been at war with and subsequently
lost the war to can be most grateful we were not an atheist country.

If we were a country that did not apply Christian principles to our
captors millions more would have been killed.

Atheist run countries have a policy of extermination and ethnic
cleansing rather than applying charity.

Atheist like to claim religion killed so many people...well without
religion in world the killings would have been much worse.

When I discussed Christian principles one time an Atheist piped up to
say "the Christians have no principles," and "Jesus was a fabled
creation of the Christians."

When we sperate the personalities from the principles it makes looking
at things much easier. When I am referring to Christian principles I
speak of such things as charity, works of mercy and the golden rule,
where the emphasis is on principles and not on the personalities of
the church.

For even if Jesus was just created as a fable, these Christian
principles are universal truths in their own right if one desires to
live a life at peace and promote the inner peace of others in this
world.

"The Corporal Works of Mercy"

To feed the hungry
To give drink to the thirsty
To clothe the naked
To harbour the harbourless
To visit the sick
To ransom the captive
To bury the dead

"The Spiritual Works of Mercy"

To instruct the ignorant
To counsel the doubtful
To admonish sinners
To bear wrongs patiently
To forgive offenses willingly
To comfort the afflicted
To pray for the living and the dead

You see, by applying the rule of reciprocity or rule of opposites we
can see if we were in these positions of the needy mentioned above, we
would like such charity bestowed on us for the most part. What about
our children, parents and loved ones? Wouldn't we wish the same for
them? We have no loved ones? What about our neighbors? The Christian
ethic says to treat one another as we would wish to be treated. As we
give ~ so we receive.

Even if an atheist, as we give peace - we receive inner peace as many
of the tools I mentioned above do not require belief in God, they only
requirement is a desire to be at peace and to bring peace to others.
This is the Christian doctrine in a nutshell, when we put principles
before personalities.

As you instill seeds of peace within others you plant the same seeds
and water these seeds within you as well. As James Allen wrote in "As
a man Thinketh" ~ To think well of all, to be cheerful with all, to
patiently learn to find the good in all - such unselfish thoughts are
the very portals of heaven; and to dwell day by day in thoughts of
peace toward every creature will bring abounding peace to their
possessor."

This is universal truth that transcends man made religions. Remember,
we do not have to do it perfectly. Just look for direction and forget
perfection - for perfection or range is of the ego and form is of the
soul. There are many tools for peace within the worlds spiritual
paths, no one said these paths are perfect, in fact, it was once said
that walking the spiritual path is akin to walking on a razors edge.

But if we bother to be honest, non prejudicial and to look, we can
find tools that can help us be at peace whether atheist, agnostic or
believer.

Again, when people are devoid of religion...they generally stink as
humans.

Until atheism can replace theist based religion as a VIABLE and REAL
way to inner peace, with a reverence of humanity, it can never take
over the world and extinguish religion.

When you get rid of one thing, it makes room for another.

Sure atheist can succeed at pointing to the flaws of religious
thought, but they have nothing to replace the flaws with.

So theists choose the lesser of two evils while on earth, with the
hopes of hitting the jackpot in the hereafter.

When atheists become successes at 'the religion of humanity,' you may
become more successful at replacing theist based religion.

Until that time..."a mans mind may be likened to a garden which may be
intelligently cultivated or allowed to run wild; but whether
cultivated or neglected, it must and will bring forth. If no useful
seeds are put into it, then an abundance of useless 'weed seeds' will
fall therein and will continue to produce their kind." ~ James Allen

And religion does a good job at controlling the weeds.

In its history, organized atheism has never succeeded at replacing
religion with real humanity and compassion.

The atheists talk a good story, but atheists fail miserably when it
comes to practical application of the 'peace talk.'

And really the vast majority of atheists don't even have 'the talk' to
spout, since they have no semblance of inner peace themselves in order
to form a basis of 'lip service' to pontificate.

Don't know what I mean?

I'm saying that most atheists are too ignorant when the subject turns
to inner peace to even lie about or pretend that they know anything
about the subject.

Another reason atheists will never win, is in general it takes hatred
to fuel atheism if one is a dogmatic, militant atheist.

Hatred blinds one to peace.

When you lose the hatred and militant foundation, then you do not wish
to destroy others or their religion....you are at peace to let them be
religious.

Sure you do not let others destroy you with religion, you tell them
the facts that they run by faith, so do not get too high and mighty
and start forcing you into the religion against your will.

But you only fight in a measured way of self defense, instead of the
offensive atheists that sets out to destroy 'all faith based beliefs'
just for the sheer joy of hurting another.

Sure tearing others down appeals to one's ego and pride, but so did
torturing insects when we were kids. When we grow up we need a
different way to find self worth.

As you instill seeds of peace within others you plant the same seeds
and water these seeds within you as well.

As you give so you receive.

Is that from the bible or karma?

No, it is just universal law.

Do we like to be beaten down?

Whenever we take it upon ourselves to beat down others, we are headed
in a direction of destroying peace. We destroy our own peace as well
as others peace.

It takes no energy from me to pass something by and leave it alone in
peace. But it takes my energy as well as my peace to pick something up
to destroy it.

When I posted this paragraph earlier, an atheist piped to accuse me of
hypocrisy, telling me that I destroy a potato when I pick it up to eat
it, so I am a liar.

Natural law dictates I must eat, but there is no law that says I must
spew venom from my mouth to destroy others.

If atheists can get over fishing for red herrings and get onto bigger
fish to fry they will see a world of difference in their peace
practice.

The destruction of inner peace by destroying potatoes comes about when
I destroy my neighbors crop field of potatoes by poisoning them to
bankrupt him in order to take over his farmland...it does not come
about by eating a potato.

The God of Nature gives me potatoes to eat, the God of Inner Peace
tells me to not eat potatoes in excess or to destroy others if I wish
to be at peace. I cannot see either God, I know not how these God's
work, I just know they are and I can abide by their guidance or be
defiant to these Gods and end up destroying my life and the lives of
others.

See:

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=342.0


Yes, there are theists that stink. See: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/burning.html

I will be the first to admit that religion has done lots of harm but I
will also say religion done lots of right.

And just as the question of God cannot be answered with any certainty,
so goes the question of whether the world would have been better off
without religion or not.

It is a question that cannot be answered like it was in the movie
"It's a Wonderful life.'

But lets look at the facts and see that the vast, vast majority of
people are theists or believe in hereafter, so the pot is enormous
that we draw from when we pull out examples of evildoing theists that
the atheists like to parade around.

The USA was founded with God in the details. I suggest atheists that
hate a religious based country like the USA move to China or Russia.
Then you can live your dream right now, in your God free country.

In China, it was a common practice to execute political prisoners with
one bullet to the head...then they sent the bill for the bullet to the
family of the executed prisoner. That is where separation of state and
religion can lead a country. Once religion is out of politics, then
the only thing left in control is ego.

They say Hitler was a Catholic?

I don't know if he was Catholic or not.

I do know that Hitler did not practice even the most basic tenants of
Christianity.

It takes more than lip service to be a 'practicing' Catholic,
Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu or Hebrew follower.


See:

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=380.0


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/125b41aa8fd2b87b/cf400bdf88ba1701?lnk=gst&q=conundrum&rnum=7&hl=en#cf400bdf88ba1701

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=509.0

Now, some 'spiritually based atheist's can far surpasses many theists
in kindness and virtue many times...so it just depends on what 'type
of atheist' you are talking about? But these sort of atheists are very
rare to encounter, as spiritual values and atheism do not generally
mix.

"People that practice religion are worried about going to hell -
people that practice spirituality have already been to hell and don't
want to go back."

A lot of atheists I run into make their intellect their God. They do
not know that academic smarts are not the same as peace smarts. Until
they can transcend their ego they will never find the answer (peace)
they seek.

It is the same for those that think money is all that is standing
between them and happiness.

So it goes for the ego and intellect based person that is devoid of
spiritual values.

And if the atheists is honest they will see they do not run their
lives solely by logic and are no better than the theist that runs
their lives by faith.

No, logic only goes so far in life. For what is logical is not always
practical when it comes to humans ... is it?

Always remember...one thing only goes so far with giving a person a
good life. Seek balance.

Spiritual growth as well as humans are not perfect - but we can all do
better at being humans if we try to be more humane.

See:

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0

There are many flavors of atheists...natural atheists, personal
atheists, explicit atheists, implicit atheists weak atheists, strong
atheists, discovery atheists, reactionary atheists, indoctrinated
atheists and of course the bad ass atheists with attitude aka BAAWA
varieties.

But the defining characteristic that leads an atheist to peace is
whether they are a 'spiritual based atheist' or 'defiance based
atheist.''

The business of humanism is 'all our business' if we with to live life
at peace. Egocentricity is not good for spiritual work and we need to
be open to others ideas and embrace them as nourishment for your
growth and sustenance for life - as no one person is god.

As a freethinking agnostic I AM FREE to look for truth wherever the
road takes me. I discriminate against no one. As such, I study with
the Christians, the Buddhists, the Jews, the Muslims, the Taoists and
even find truth as I study with the atheists.

When you practice peace promotion with others you will reap inner
peace promotion. When you practice destroying others peace, you will
reap self destruction of inner peace.

I suggest any atheists wishing to find inner peace within their life
adopt the creed of the atheists (their version of prepackaged morals)
and become secular humanists as a good first start.

The 'informal creed' of atheism.

An Atheist loves his fellow man instead of god. An Atheist believes
that heaven is something for which we should work now - here on earth
for all men together to enjoy.

An Atheist believes that he can get no help through prayer but that he
must find in himself the inner conviction, and strength to meet life,
to grapple with it, to subdue it and enjoy it.

An Atheist believes that only in a knowledge of himself and a
knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will
help to a life of fulfillment. He seeks to know himself and his fellow
man rather than to know a god. An Atheist believes that a hospital
should be built instead of a church.

An Atheist believes that a deed must be done instead of a prayer
said.

An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death.
He wants disease conquered, poverty vanquished, war eliminated. He
wants man to understand and love man.

He wants an ethical way of life. He believes that we cannot rely on a
god or channel action into prayer nor hope for an end of troubles in a
hereafter.

He believes that we are our brother's keepers; and are keepers of our
own lives; that we are responsible persons and the job is here and the
time is now."

http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/



"The Affirmations of Humanism: A Statement of Principles"

* We are committed to the application of reason and science to the
understanding of the universe and to the solving of human problems.

* We deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to
explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature
for salvation.

* We believe that scientific discovery and technology can contribute
to the betterment of human life.

* We believe in an open and pluralistic society and that democracy is
the best guarantee of protecting human rights from authoritarian
elites and repressive majorities.

* We are committed to the principle of the separation of church and
state.

* We cultivate the arts of negotiation and compromise as a means of
resolving differences and achieving mutual understanding.

* We are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and
with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.

* We believe in supporting the disadvantaged and the handicapped so
that they will be able to help themselves.

* We attempt to transcend divisive parochial loyalties based on race,
religion, gender, nationality, creed, class, sexual orientation, or
ethnicity, and strive to work together for the common good of
humanity.

* We want to protect and enhance the earth, to preserve it for future
generations, and to avoid inflicting needless suffering on other
species.

* We believe in enjoying life here and now and in developing our
creative talents to their fullest.

* We believe in the cultivation of moral excellence.

* We respect the right to privacy. Mature adults should be allowed to
fulfill their aspirations, to express their sexual preferences, to
exercise reproductive freedom, to have access to comprehensive and
informed health-care, and to die with dignity.

* We believe in the common moral decencies: altruism, integrity,
honesty, truthfulness, responsibility. Humanist ethics is amenable to
critical, rational guidance. There are normative standards that we
discover together. Moral principles are tested by their consequences.

* We are deeply concerned with the moral education of our children. We
want to nourish reason and compassion.

* We are engaged by the arts no less than by the sciences.

* We are citizens of the universe and are excited by discoveries still
to be made in the cosmos.

* We are skeptical of untested claims to knowledge, and we are open to
novel ideas and seek new departures in our thinking.

* We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of
despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal
significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others.

* We believe in optimism rather than pessimism, hope rather than
despair, learning in the place of dogma, truth instead of ignorance,
joy rather than guilt or sin, tolerance in the place of fear, love
instead of hatred, compassion over selfishness, beauty instead of
ugliness, and reason rather than blind faith or irrationality.

* We believe in the fullest realization of the best and noblest that
we are capable of as human beings.

Council for Secular Humanism



Take care,


V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
Andre Lieven
2007-12-10 18:38:09 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 10:35 am, V <***@aol.com> wrote good old christian hate:
> On Dec 10, 12:07 am, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> > should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> > upon others.
>
> > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59111HOLIDAY
> > BLUES
>
> > 'Imagine no religion,' says atheists' display
>
> > Residents irked by city-approved sign in public park blaming faith for 9/11
> > Posted: December 9, 2007
> > 1:00 a.m. Eastern
>
> > (c) 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
>
> > Connecticut atheists, taking advantage of a town's policy of allowing
> > holiday-season displays in its public park, have erected a 10-foot tall sign
> > in celebration of the winter solstice that includes a message blaming the
> > attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, on religious believers.
>
> > The 3-sided sign was erected in the Town of Vernon's Central Park on Dec. 1
> > by the Connecticut Valley Atheists. The two sides facing Main Street feature
> > a pre-attack image of the Twin Towers with the sun shining between them and
> > the message, "Imagine no religion," drawn from the John Lennon anthem,
> > "Imagine."
>
> > Use of the image is meant to say the Twin Towers would still be standing
> > were it not for religion, CVA coordinator Dennis Himes told the Hartford
> > Courant.
>
> > The goal is to "simply emphasize an advantage of atheism, something good
> > about atheism," Himes said. "Al-Qaida is not a terrorist organization that
> > happens to be religious, it is a terrorist organization that is inspired by
> > its religious beliefs."
>
> > The third side of the sign faces town hall with a message about the winter
> > solstice - the basis for the group being given a permit. It reads:
>
> > "In late December the sun is lower and days are shorter than any time of
> > year. Throughout the rest of winter the sun gets higher and the days get
> > longer. Because of this people have celebrated the winter solstice from time
> > immemorial. People used to believe that gods moved the sun across the sky.
> > Today we know that there are no gods, and that the sun moves by natural
> > causes, and we celebrate not only the movement of the sun but our ability to
> > understand that movement."
>
> > "We would prefer no displays promoting theological worldviews be displayed
> > at all, but as long as they are we thank the Town of Vernon for permitting
> > atheists equal access," the group says on its website.
>
> > "The town marked off three spots in the park," Himes said. "The notice to
> > groups said first come, first served, so we picked the one right in front of
> > town hall. We fully expected the other displays to be up around the same
> > time we put ours up."
>
> > While the town issued permits to a local synagogue for a menorah display and
> > to a group of churches that plan to place a creche in the park, the atheists
> > were the first to erect their display - indeed, as of the weekend, theirs
> > remained the only display except for a large Christmas tree Mayor Jason L.
> > McCoy had a town crew erect 10 feet from the atheists' sign.
>
> > McCoy rejected suggestions placement of the tree is meant to obstruct views
> > of the atheists' display. When told that it did, in fact, obstruct the view,
> > McCoy responded to the Courant, "Oh, really - that's unfortunate."
>
> > McCoy and other town officials have been fielding complaint calls for a week
> > from residents angry at the group's suggestion their religion was
> > responsible for 9/11.
>
> > "People are not offended the atheists have something up there, and they're
> > not offended by whatever they celebrate. What they're troubled by is they
> > feel [their] religion is equated with being involved in terrorism," McCoy
> > said.
>
> > Officials also said the tone of the atheists' display appeared to be more
> > political and not consistent with the description given on their permit
> > application of a "triangular stand displaying information about the winter
> > solstice, atheism and human light observance."
>
> > Himes insists the town made the issue political when it decided to allow
> > religious displays on public property.
>
> > "The original question was whether Vernon would have a nativity scene on
> > church property or town property," Himes said. "The difference between those
> > two is a political difference."
>
> > For generations, Vernon has displayed its circa-World War II creche in the
> > park, but it was moved to St. Bernard Church last year after Hines
> > complained, saying the town was violating the separation of church and
> > state.
>
> > Republican town committee members passed a unanimous resolution calling for
> > the creche to be returned to its traditional location in the park in 2007. A
> > new policy, crafted last August, grants equal space for any group wanting to
> > set up traditional displays or symbolic messages during the month of
> > December.
>
> > Sandi LaChapelle, owner of Russ' Time Rock 'n' Roll Diner, told the Courant
> > visitors to her business have been commenting on the photo of the sun
> > streaming between the Twin Towers.
>
> > "The sun forms a cross," she said.
>
> > "That certainly wasn't intentional," Himes said.
>
> > --
> > J Young
> > ***@aol.com
>
> Atheists look at this topic with tunnel vision JY.
>
> They like to fantasize what the world would be like if religion would
> never have been invented.
>
> The facts are this: when people are devoid of religion / spiritual
> values...they generally stink as humans.

[....]

This is just more proof that the WORST human beings are those
who are not just religious, but who JUDGE others on that basis.

The silly idiots are so STOOPID that they forget that their god
told them " Judge not, least ye be judged. "

Actually, the "Judge not" quote reads, "Be ye therefore merciful, as
your
Father is also merciful. Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Con-
demn
not, and you shall not be con-demned. Forgive, and you shall be
forgiven. "
Luke 6:36-37.

So, since these " christians " OPPOSE the Commands of their god,
their idiocy should not be taken seriously, as they are atheists in
all but name. Becaue they wish to be their own gods.

Hmm... I guess that makes them narcissistic panthesists...

Andre
harry k
2007-12-10 16:04:11 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 9, 9:07 pm, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> upon others.
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?> --

<snip>

> J Young
> ***@aol.com

I am astounded! That you can post that and not _see_ the hypocrisy
literally dripping off of it...!!!!

Harry K
LC
2007-12-10 16:15:46 UTC
Permalink
Schizophrenic disgrace "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:***@news.alt.net...

> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold <Cathoholic> beliefs,
> they should learn to keep it to themselves.

Fixed it for you, "J Young/J Baker/IBen Getiner".

>No one should invoke their values upon others.

LOL!

Imagine..."J/IBen" invokes John Lennon.
And then talks to himself:

"Can anyone put to rest once and for all the rumors that John Lennon
was gay? The story never has really gone away.They say Yoko tried to
convert him;hence the kid.Does seem strange;2 guys converging on
countless love songs.Most great artists are a little flimsy,and there
is no greater artist than John Lennon."
From: ***@volcanomail.com (Jon Young)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Was Lennon gay?
Date: 28 Mar 2004 19:45:21 -0800
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.252.163

"Let this one rest in peace. Don't ask, don't tell. That's my advice."
From: ***@aol.com (IBen Getiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Was Lennon gay?
Date: 30 Mar 2004 02:14:45 -0800
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>
References: <***@posting.google.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.252.163

Feel free to discuss, "J".
John Baker
2007-12-10 16:33:43 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, "J Young" <***@aol.com>
wrote:

>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
>should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
>upon others.


Young, you are without doubt the most hypocritical asshole I've ever
encountered, on or off of Usenet. You're enough to sicken any decent
person.
Uncle Vic
2007-12-10 17:42:02 UTC
Permalink
One fine day in alt.atheism, "J Young" <***@aol.com> bloodied
us up with this:

> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
> they should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
> values upon others.

No one? That includes you, O Deluded One.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Conspiracy of Doves
2007-12-10 18:20:13 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 10, 12:07 am, "J Young" <***@aol.com> wrote:
> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> upon others.
>

If people want to hold Christian beliefs, they should learn to keep it
to themselves. No one should invoke their values upon others.
Bob Officer
2007-12-10 21:51:10 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, in alt.abortion, "J Young"
<***@aol.com> wrote:

>This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
>should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
>upon others.
>

The highest form of hypocrisy known to man. J. Young



>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59111 HOLIDAY
>BLUES
>
>
>
>'Imagine no religion,' says atheists' display
>
>
>
>Residents irked by city-approved sign in public park blaming faith for 9/11
>Posted: December 9, 2007
>1:00 a.m. Eastern
>
>
>
>
>© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
>
>Connecticut atheists, taking advantage of a town's policy of allowing
>holiday-season displays in its public park, have erected a 10-foot tall sign
>in celebration of the winter solstice that includes a message blaming the
>attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, on religious believers.
>
>The 3-sided sign was erected in the Town of Vernon's Central Park on Dec. 1
>by the Connecticut Valley Atheists. The two sides facing Main Street feature
>a pre-attack image of the Twin Towers with the sun shining between them and
>the message, "Imagine no religion," drawn from the John Lennon anthem,
>"Imagine."
>
>Use of the image is meant to say the Twin Towers would still be standing
>were it not for religion, CVA coordinator Dennis Himes told the Hartford
>Courant.
>
>The goal is to "simply emphasize an advantage of atheism, something good
>about atheism," Himes said. "Al-Qaida is not a terrorist organization that
>happens to be religious, it is a terrorist organization that is inspired by
>its religious beliefs."
>
>The third side of the sign faces town hall with a message about the winter
>solstice - the basis for the group being given a permit. It reads:
>
>"In late December the sun is lower and days are shorter than any time of
>year. Throughout the rest of winter the sun gets higher and the days get
>longer. Because of this people have celebrated the winter solstice from time
>immemorial. People used to believe that gods moved the sun across the sky.
>Today we know that there are no gods, and that the sun moves by natural
>causes, and we celebrate not only the movement of the sun but our ability to
>understand that movement."
>
>"We would prefer no displays promoting theological worldviews be displayed
>at all, but as long as they are we thank the Town of Vernon for permitting
>atheists equal access," the group says on its website.
>
>"The town marked off three spots in the park," Himes said. "The notice to
>groups said first come, first served, so we picked the one right in front of
>town hall. We fully expected the other displays to be up around the same
>time we put ours up."
>
>While the town issued permits to a local synagogue for a menorah display and
>to a group of churches that plan to place a creche in the park, the atheists
>were the first to erect their display - indeed, as of the weekend, theirs
>remained the only display except for a large Christmas tree Mayor Jason L.
>McCoy had a town crew erect 10 feet from the atheists' sign.
>
>McCoy rejected suggestions placement of the tree is meant to obstruct views
>of the atheists' display. When told that it did, in fact, obstruct the view,
>McCoy responded to the Courant, "Oh, really - that's unfortunate."
>
>McCoy and other town officials have been fielding complaint calls for a week
>from residents angry at the group's suggestion their religion was
>responsible for 9/11.
>
>"People are not offended the atheists have something up there, and they're
>not offended by whatever they celebrate. What they're troubled by is they
>feel [their] religion is equated with being involved in terrorism," McCoy
>said.
>
>Officials also said the tone of the atheists' display appeared to be more
>political and not consistent with the description given on their permit
>application of a "triangular stand displaying information about the winter
>solstice, atheism and human light observance."
>
>Himes insists the town made the issue political when it decided to allow
>religious displays on public property.
>
>"The original question was whether Vernon would have a nativity scene on
>church property or town property," Himes said. "The difference between those
>two is a political difference."
>
>For generations, Vernon has displayed its circa-World War II creche in the
>park, but it was moved to St. Bernard Church last year after Hines
>complained, saying the town was violating the separation of church and
>state.
>
>Republican town committee members passed a unanimous resolution calling for
>the creche to be returned to its traditional location in the park in 2007. A
>new policy, crafted last August, grants equal space for any group wanting to
>set up traditional displays or symbolic messages during the month of
>December.
>
>Sandi LaChapelle, owner of Russ' Time Rock 'n' Roll Diner, told the Courant
>visitors to her business have been commenting on the photo of the sun
>streaming between the Twin Towers.
>
>"The sun forms a cross," she said.
>
>"That certainly wasn't intentional," Himes said.

--
Ak'toh'di
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
2007-12-10 22:11:49 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>,
Bob Officer <***@127.0.0.7> wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, in alt.abortion, "J Young"
> <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> >should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> >upon others.
> >
>
> The highest form of hypocrisy known to man. J. Young

on the other hand the sign is wrong
and to piss people off just piss people off
is not the brightest poltical move for a minority

arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
Archie Leach
2007-12-10 22:21:13 UTC
Permalink
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <***@4ax.com>,
> Bob Officer <***@127.0.0.7> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, in alt.abortion, "J Young"
>> <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
>> >should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
>> >upon others.
>> >
>>
>> The highest form of hypocrisy known to man. J. Young
>
>on the other hand the sign is wrong
>and to piss people off just piss people off
>is not the brightest poltical move for a minority
>
>arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
>from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
>sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
>or a babys arm holding an apple

<rant>

Some atheists (the CVA certainly included) conveniently forget about
the USSR and China (and hell let's throw Pol Pot and Cambodia into the
mix) when spouting about the supposed relative peacefulness of
"atheism".

Communism/Marxism is by definition atheistic. You cannot seperate
atheism from Marxism.

Hey, if you want to make a philosophical stand that God does not
exist, then go ahead.

If you want to declare that Jesus Christ never existed and was a myth,
then I don't agree with that but it's not really my business.
Besides, Christianity has those who would make Jesus a myth--see the
Episcopal Bishop Spong.

If you want to claim that theism is strictly responsible for tragedies
and murders and mayhem and that atheism is the doctrine of ultimate
peace, then you are FULL. OF. SHIT.

Plain and simple.

Besides, it appears the Colorado church shooter was an
atheist--insofar as he had an obsessive hatred toward Christians.


</rant>
LC
2007-12-10 23:08:18 UTC
Permalink
"Archie Leach" <***@antispam.ham> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...

> Besides, it appears the Colorado church shooter was an
> atheist--insofar as he had an obsessive hatred toward Christians.

Uh, no,
Actually, it appears he was just another jilted fundy with an axe to grind:

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The gunman believed to have killed four people at
a megachurch and a missionary training school had been thrown out of the
school about three years ago and had been sending hate mail to the program,
police said in court papers Monday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071210/ap_on_re_us/church_shootings
Archie Leach
2007-12-10 23:11:17 UTC
Permalink
"LC" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Archie Leach" <***@antispam.ham> wrote in message
>news:***@4ax.com...
>
>> Besides, it appears the Colorado church shooter was an
>> atheist--insofar as he had an obsessive hatred toward Christians.
>
>Uh, no,
>Actually, it appears he was just another jilted fundy with an axe to grind:
>
>COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The gunman believed to have killed four people at
>a megachurch and a missionary training school had been thrown out of the
>school about three years ago and had been sending hate mail to the program,
>police said in court papers Monday.
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071210/ap_on_re_us/church_shootings
>

I stand corrected on that point.

But the larger point remains: Atheism has no ground to stand on if it
tries to justify itself as a doctrine of unquestionable Peace.
LC
2007-12-10 23:34:34 UTC
Permalink
"Archie Leach" <***@antispam.ham> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> "LC" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>"Archie Leach" <***@antispam.ham> wrote in message
>>news:***@4ax.com...

>>> Besides, it appears the Colorado church shooter was an
>>> atheist--insofar as he had an obsessive hatred toward Christians.

>>Uh, no,
>>Actually, it appears he was just another jilted fundy with an axe to
>>grind:

>>COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The gunman believed to have killed four people
>>at a megachurch and a missionary training school had been thrown out of
>>the school about three years ago and had been sending hate mail to the
>>program, police said in court papers Monday.

>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071210/ap_on_re_us/church_shootings


> I stand corrected on that point.

> But the larger point remains: Atheism has no ground to stand on if it
> tries to justify itself as a doctrine of unquestionable Peace.

Cite?
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
2007-12-11 03:40:24 UTC
Permalink
> > I stand corrected on that point.
>
> > But the larger point remains: Atheism has no ground to stand on if it
> > tries to justify itself as a doctrine of unquestionable Peace.
>
> Cite?

was the ussr - prc border a place of peace or tension?
we had two officially atheist governments side by side
and therefore they could have no religious axe to grind
no religious extremist beyond the border to defend themselves against

was this love and peace and flowers and joy?

what do you say about someone who sticks to their dogma
when it is provably wrong?

arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
percy
2007-12-11 04:03:46 UTC
Permalink
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
>>> I stand corrected on that point.
>>> But the larger point remains: Atheism has no ground to stand on if it
>>> tries to justify itself as a doctrine of unquestionable Peace.
>> Cite?
>
> was the ussr - prc border a place of peace or tension?
> we had two officially atheist governments side by side
> and therefore they could have no religious axe to grind
> no religious extremist beyond the border to defend themselves against
>
> was this love and peace and flowers and joy?
>
> what do you say about someone who sticks to their dogma
> when it is provably wrong?
>

We call them andy chung.
Robert
2007-12-11 03:00:23 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:11:17 GMT, Archie Leach <***@antispam.ham>
wrote:

>"LC" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Archie Leach" <***@antispam.ham> wrote in message
>>news:***@4ax.com...
>>
>>> Besides, it appears the Colorado church shooter was an
>>> atheist--insofar as he had an obsessive hatred toward Christians.
>>
>>Uh, no,
>>Actually, it appears he was just another jilted fundy with an axe to grind:
>>
>>COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The gunman believed to have killed four people at
>>a megachurch and a missionary training school had been thrown out of the
>>school about three years ago and had been sending hate mail to the program,
>>police said in court papers Monday.
>>
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071210/ap_on_re_us/church_shootings
>>
>
>I stand corrected on that point.
>
>But the larger point remains: Atheism has no ground to stand on if it
>tries to justify itself as a doctrine of unquestionable Peace.
>
Nor has it. Christianity claims to be a religion of peace, atheist
point out that Christianity has been very active in supporting wars
often both side of the conflict for man centuries. Atheism is simply a
lack of any beliefs in any God/s. Active atheist resist attempts by
religion to force other to live according to the immorality of that
religion.
>
>

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
2007-12-11 03:41:44 UTC
Permalink
> often both side of the conflict for man centuries. Atheism is simply a
> lack of any beliefs in any God/s. Active atheist resist attempts by
> religion to force other to live according to the immorality of that
> religion.

okay

so then why do they have best body counts of the twentieth century?
is that a new kind of morality?

arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
Dubh Ghall
2007-12-11 08:49:18 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:11:17 GMT, Archie Leach <***@antispam.ham>
wrote:

> Atheism has no ground to stand on if it
>tries to justify itself as a doctrine of unquestionable Peace.

But atheism isn't a doctrine of anything.

That atheism is a doctrine, is a fiction which, together with their
god/s, resides only in the heads of religious fanatics.
Bill M
2007-12-10 19:11:32 UTC
Permalink
"Archie Leach" <***@antispam.ham> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <***@4ax.com>,
>> Bob Officer <***@127.0.0.7> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, in alt.abortion, "J Young"
>>> <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
>>> >they
>>> >should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
>>> >values
>>> >upon others.
>>> >
>>>
>>> The highest form of hypocrisy known to man. J. Young
>>
>>on the other hand the sign is wrong
>>and to piss people off just piss people off
>>is not the brightest poltical move for a minority
>>
>>arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
>>from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
>>sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
>>or a babys arm holding an apple
>
> <rant>
>
> Some atheists (the CVA certainly included) conveniently forget about
> the USSR and China (and hell let's throw Pol Pot and Cambodia into the
> mix) when spouting about the supposed relative peacefulness of
> "atheism".
>
> Communism/Marxism is by definition atheistic. You cannot seperate
> atheism from Marxism.

Communism is a political system. It neither requires or is based on non
beleif in gods.

> Hey, if you want to make a philosophical stand that God does not
> exist, then go ahead.
>
> If you want to declare that Jesus Christ never existed and was a myth,
> then I don't agree with that but it's not really my business.

Of course it is a myth! Where have you, are any other sane person, seen or
heard from Jesus???

> Besides, Christianity has those who would make Jesus a myth--see the
> Episcopal Bishop Spong.
>
> If you want to claim that theism is strictly responsible for tragedies
> and murders and mayhem and that atheism is the doctrine of ultimate
> peace, then you are FULL. OF. SHIT.

Both atheists and theists have caused tragedies. Neither is inherently
tragic.

> Plain and simple.
>
> Besides, it appears the Colorado church shooter was an
> atheist--insofar as he had an obsessive hatred toward Christians.
>
>
> </rant>
>
>
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
2007-12-11 03:33:47 UTC
Permalink
In article <oBk7j.14138$***@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
"Bill M" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> "Archie Leach" <***@antispam.ham> wrote in message
> news:***@4ax.com...
> > mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> > <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>In article <***@4ax.com>,
> >> Bob Officer <***@127.0.0.7> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, in alt.abortion, "J Young"
> >>> <***@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs,
> >>> >they
> >>> >should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their
> >>> >values
> >>> >upon others.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> The highest form of hypocrisy known to man. J. Young
> >>
> >>on the other hand the sign is wrong
> >>and to piss people off just piss people off
> >>is not the brightest poltical move for a minority
> >>
> >>arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
> >>from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
> >>sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
> >>or a babys arm holding an apple
> >
> > <rant>
> >
> > Some atheists (the CVA certainly included) conveniently forget about
> > the USSR and China (and hell let's throw Pol Pot and Cambodia into the
> > mix) when spouting about the supposed relative peacefulness of
> > "atheism".
> >
> > Communism/Marxism is by definition atheistic. You cannot seperate
> > atheism from Marxism.
>
> Communism is a political system. It neither requires or is based on non
> beleif in gods.
>
> > Hey, if you want to make a philosophical stand that God does not
> > exist, then go ahead.
> >
> > If you want to declare that Jesus Christ never existed and was a myth,
> > then I don't agree with that but it's not really my business.
>
> Of course it is a myth! Where have you, are any other sane person, seen or
> heard from Jesus???
>
> > Besides, Christianity has those who would make Jesus a myth--see the
> > Episcopal Bishop Spong.
> >
> > If you want to claim that theism is strictly responsible for tragedies
> > and murders and mayhem and that atheism is the doctrine of ultimate
> > peace, then you are FULL. OF. SHIT.
>
> Both atheists and theists have caused tragedies. Neither is inherently
> tragic.

the text on the sign implies that a world without religion
is a world without war
this is

arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
MarkA
2007-12-11 03:26:35 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:21:13 +0000, Archie Leach wrote:

> mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <***@4ax.com>,
>> Bob Officer <***@127.0.0.7> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, in alt.abortion, "J Young"
>>> <***@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
>>> >should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
>>> >upon others.
>>> >
>>>
>>> The highest form of hypocrisy known to man. J. Young
>>
>>on the other hand the sign is wrong
>>and to piss people off just piss people off
>>is not the brightest poltical move for a minority
>>
>>arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
>>from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
>>sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
>>or a babys arm holding an apple
>
> <rant>
>
> Some atheists (the CVA certainly included) conveniently forget about
> the USSR and China (and hell let's throw Pol Pot and Cambodia into the
> mix) when spouting about the supposed relative peacefulness of
> "atheism".
>
> Communism/Marxism is by definition atheistic. You cannot seperate
> atheism from Marxism.
>
> Hey, if you want to make a philosophical stand that God does not
> exist, then go ahead.
>

Yep. Stalin killed millions of his own people on a crusade to promote
rational thinking/secular humanism. You got us there.

> If you want to declare that Jesus Christ never existed and was a myth,
> then I don't agree with that but it's not really my business.
> Besides, Christianity has those who would make Jesus a myth--see the
> Episcopal Bishop Spong.
>
> If you want to claim that theism is strictly responsible for tragedies
> and murders and mayhem and that atheism is the doctrine of ultimate
> peace, then you are FULL. OF. SHIT.
>
> Plain and simple.
>
> Besides, it appears the Colorado church shooter was an
> atheist--insofar as he had an obsessive hatred toward Christians.
>

You need to get a new dictionary. An atheist is NOT defined by "obsessive
hatred toward Christians."

>
> </rant>

--
MarkA
(This space accidentally filled in)
MarkA
2007-12-11 03:23:09 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:

> This is an absolute disgrace. If people wish to hold atheist beliefs, they
> should learn to keep it to themselves. No one should invoke their values
> upon others.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59111 HOLIDAY
> BLUES
>
>
>
> 'Imagine no religion,' says atheists' display
>
>
>
> Residents irked by city-approved sign in public park blaming faith for 9/11
> Posted: December 9, 2007
> 1:00 a.m. Eastern
>
>
>
>
> © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
>
> Connecticut atheists, taking advantage of a town's policy of allowing
> holiday-season displays in its public park, have erected a 10-foot tall sign
> in celebration of the winter solstice that includes a message blaming the
> attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, on religious believers.
>
> The 3-sided sign was erected in the Town of Vernon's Central Park on Dec. 1
> by the Connecticut Valley Atheists. The two sides facing Main Street feature
> a pre-attack image of the Twin Towers with the sun shining between them and
> the message, "Imagine no religion," drawn from the John Lennon anthem,
> "Imagine."
>

I sure hope the residents of Vernon are not so dense that they don't
realize that 9/11 really, really, really WAS caused by religious
believers. Talk about denial!

--
MarkA
(This space accidentally filled in)
thomas p.
2007-12-11 08:42:49 UTC
Permalink
"MarkA" <***@nowhere.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:***@nowhere.com...
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:07:03 -0500, J Young wrote:
snip

> I sure hope the residents of Vernon are not so dense that they don't
> realize that 9/11 really, really, really WAS caused by religious
> believers. Talk about denial!

If it is not their religion, they figure it must be atheism.
Continue reading on narkive:
Loading...